Matsglobetrotter Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I keep coming up dry on finding companies that sells any evaporators. I dont have a machine shop though that would be fun to work on for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 i would talk to either bartx or nachtflake in here, theyre right into SS and Cascade stuff, they build them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Only Bartx in EU sells this. https://bartxstore.com/shop/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 Thanks Ozzie, Suzuki. Bartx had in store. So shipment on the way :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 cool man happy to help . hope it does the job nicely for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, ozzie said: cool man happy to help . hope it does the job nicely for you It sure will. He makes very nice evaps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted October 24, 2020 Author Share Posted October 24, 2020 Posted request for support 17th. contacted bartx same day and equipment arrived today so superfast support and delivery 2 continents away? All arrived in good order and evap looks very professional so time to start building. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obijuan83 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Nice, what are you going to build, SS or cascade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 On 10/30/2020 at 2:38 AM, Obijuan83 said: Nice, what are you going to build, SS or cascade? I am starting with SS for now so will see how it works. still learning to braze ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obijuan83 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Good luck, I also finished my first build that I brazed myself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 very nice builds ? Would love to see more closeup pics of the units. What is the reason for coiling up parts of the copper tubes instead of just making them shorter? would be interesting to see closups of how you connected the instruments. I have also bought some to install in my unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) First try. only get it to -13C at present so definitely not close to what i want but then the guides i found so far are.. not so clear. Meanwhile i can also see that a lost of good knowledge is lost as sites/companies with forums has closed down. Thus guides keep linking to other resources simply not available anymore. Thus a few questions ? 1. For the capillary tube what would be the optimum length? Overall I just tried to keep all tubes short. 2. What would be a reasonable pressure on the low side when filling in R-134a. 3. I have all the tube back to Compressor covered to avoid condensation. Meanwhile I can also see that the same pipe going into the compressor is showing ice and its also forming on the compressor. To me it seems then that the coolant is wasted heading out of the evaporator or would this be normal? Edited December 6, 2020 by Matsglobetrotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 17 hours ago, Matsglobetrotter said: First try. only get it to -13C at present so definitely not close to what i want but then the guides i found so far are.. not so clear. Meanwhile i can also see that a lost of good knowledge is lost as sites/companies with forums has closed down. Thus guides keep linking to other resources simply not available anymore. Thus a few questions ? 1. For the capillary tube what would be the optimum length? Overall I just tried to keep all tubes short. 2. What would be a reasonable pressure on the low side when filling in R-134a. 3. I have all the tube back to Compressor covered to avoid condensation. Meanwhile I can also see that the same pipe going into the compressor is showing ice and its also forming on the compressor. To me it seems then that the coolant is wasted heading out of the evaporator or would this be normal? R134A is not your best bet for single stage gas. To know what size cap tube you should use you need to list compressor specs, gas and target heat load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Mythical tech said: R134A is not your best bet for single stage gas. To know what size cap tube you should use you need to list compressor specs, gas and target heat load. Thanks for feedback. I am sure i dont have anything optimum of any sort at present but i want to try out to understand before i potentially make a change in for example the gas just to ensure i limit danger :-) while learning. With a lowside pressure of about 40psi i get around 120 -130 psi on the high side just before filterdrier when the system is on. When system is off the system stabilizes at around 40PSI on both high and low side. With that i managed to get the temp now to around -20 on the evaporator when i run a G3258 2 core 55w TDP processor. The room temp i have is around 22C. i have access to 10ft of capillary tube 1/8 and 1/4. The compressor i have is Panasonic D66C16GAX6 which says 200 ASHRAE or 1/5HP from the supplier., the Condenser I have is stated as 1/4HP. The room temp i have is around 22C. The Capillary tube mounted right now is 1 meter or 3.28 feet at present. Intermediary goal Optimize current system using R134A so it cools maximum what is possible with the compressor, condenser and evaporator i have adjusting the capillary tube ( if possible) and gas content to the correct levels for loads between 55- 120W TDP. This to know that atleast the design is done correct. Then i can empty the system including oil to chjange the refrigerant to a more effective one. (not sure what that would be) Ultimate goal. To run a system that can cool any processor from 55 - 200W TDP down to around -40C to - 50C in room temp of 20C. Any insights how to calculate to get there would be highly appreciated. Edited December 7, 2020 by Matsglobetrotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZFeSS Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 R134a and -20C @ load is about normal. G3258 counts as idle. You need to change design when fill with another gas anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 17 hours ago, ZFeSS said: R134a and -20C @ load is about normal. G3258 counts as idle. You need to change design when fill with another gas anyway. Thanks. seems like I built a relevant system. It sounds a bit strange that I would need to change the design if i need to fill with other gas. That however might be the case. Overall I request input as to what to change as per my post above preferably with enough details so the reply gives me ways forward to try. I have no problem changing anything in the system but i would like to do so systematically. If current system is optimized -20C then what would changing gas do? would i reach -30 -40? and then what gas? or do i need to change the capillary tube or change the length and then to what? I could change my pump from a 1/5 hp to a 1/2 hp one in existing system using the same gas but what would the difference be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Uploaded a quick blog post of my learning so far with the Single phase change unit i built. Building Single Stage Phase Change unit for computer - Globetrotter Tech Any advice what i really need to do to reach -30 to - 40 C on the unit is most appreciated even if it means rebuilding the whole unit ? Edited December 13, 2020 by Matsglobetrotter link fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I'd use a bigger compressor around 20cc, switch to either r404 or 507, step up cap tube to 0.8mm maybe even a bit bigger depending on what size compressor you go with. And if the compressor can handle it run te suction in a mild vacuum for lower temps. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obijuan83 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Congrats on your first try. I also started a year ago from nothing. First of all you have the best evap in market in a very weak unit! You have to change compressor as mentioned before, but 1/2hp would be enough for the loads you want. Gas r404a or r507 or r449a Cap tube 0.91mm and lenght 2.2 to 2.5m With that you can achieve ~200w @ ~ -40C Recently I finished a GPU SS : Aspera 1/2hp 8.77cc Condenser 1000W 20cm Fan 2.3m 0.91mm captube High/low side gauges High/low side Shrader valves 1m Flexible Custom evaporator With those part could achieve ~ -54C on air and around -40C @ ~200watt. Hope I helped you a little! Edited December 12, 2020 by Obijuan83 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Thanks Mythical tech and Obijuan83 indeed this helps a lot :-). I have ordered a bigger compressor and a bigger condenser just arrived. I have looked also at the secop site and found a software for being able to check up on what capillary tube length and diameter to use. https://www.secop.com/fileadmin/user_upload/solutions/compressor-q-and-a/pdf-files/secop-capillary-tube-selection-software.zip Its clear also from what I have read up on various sites that my capillary tube is far to short in as much as the cooling effects and balancing is much more difficult when it is too short. The software above proposes a diameter and length in a range that seems to be more resistant to variations of load. Meanwhile I managed to get the system down to -37C on the evaporator at a pressure of around 25 PSI on the low side.. However when running it with the test system is use I could see it would be much weaker in terms of holding any temperatures. Thus my system as is should not have a lower pressure than 40 PSI on the low side. I very much like the build you have done Obijuan83. I will see how I can design mine after yours. I also have the permanent pressure gauges here so will install the same when I rebuild the system. Again many thanks for the help ? it is highly appreciated! ill be back with my new build ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obijuan83 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 40 psi sounds high for me in low side. Propably you have it overcharged on that settings and when you lower the low side to 25psi (remove gas? more condeser flow?)you got the -37C but because your compressor is weak cannot hold loads The software you mention is known, but will not help in the builds we want. Edited December 13, 2020 by Obijuan83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) I just removed gas as thats about what i can do. how would i get more condenser flow? Can i lengthen the capillary tube to get the low side lower in pressure? Edited December 13, 2020 by Matsglobetrotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obijuan83 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 You can leghthen the cap tube , but my opinion is not worth the time. Better wait for the new compressor and condenser! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 some new toys for boys arrived so time to rebuild. A bit bigger compressor. weigh 10kg. and then new condensers. I got 2 and was thinking i can put them in parallel so they use the same strong fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 9:58 PM, Obijuan83 said: You can leghthen the cap tube , but my opinion is not worth the time. Better wait for the new compressor and condenser! i did lengthen the cap tube to 2.3 meters and now the suction pressure in general is much lower compared to before. I cant hold my old 2600K steady as it still draw too much power i guess. around 150-160W when i bench so the evaporator heats up. close to 0C 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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