Robi Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 default run = default settings of the benchmark = loading it and pressing run. > Splitting the work into 64 equal amounts instead of 2 does not change anything. it changes two things! 1) the running time of the benchmark 2) the score! I get a boost from 485 points do 627 in one run only by changing default into running it with 64 Threads. its simply unfair against all others who think "default run" means running the benchmark and klick go. I think moderators should react soon on this! otherwise the stage becomes a bad joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robi Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I remember someone reporting me in the last stage because i did not include the "optional" mem tab, and i had to rerun my results. This is an overclocking competition and not a "who finds the best arguments to bend the rules to his needs competition". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) I remember someone reporting me in the last stage because i did not include the "optional" mem tab, and i had to rerun my results. This is an overclocking competition and not a "who finds the best arguments to bend the rules to his needs competition". People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. http://hwbot.org/submission/2278860_robot_3dmark06_2x_geforce_8800_gtx_27387_marks No subtest details in SS, no ORB link. Edited July 4, 2012 by Mr.Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 default run = default settings of the benchmark = loading it and pressing run. > Splitting the work into 64 equal amounts instead of 2 does not change anything. it changes two things! 1) the running time of the benchmark 2) the score! I get a boost from 485 points do 627 in one run only by changing default into running it with 64 Threads. its simply unfair against all others who think "default run" means running the benchmark and klick go. I think moderators should react soon on this! otherwise the stage becomes a bad joke! Then we have to block maybe 50% of all 3DMark scores posted on HWBot, very few run 01 in the normal run order, include cpu tests in 3dmark03 and 05 - for example. Default enough to be verified by FM, but still not 100% default. I agree that this is not an ideal situation, but the admin of the site already said this tweak is OK. Still 10 days for people to rerun if they need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I remember someone reporting me in the last stage because i did not include the "optional" mem tab, and i had to rerun my results. This is an overclocking competition and not a "who finds the best arguments to bend the rules to his needs competition". Since when did the mem tab become optional? AFAIk it has been mandatory since 2008 at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robi Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Where does he say that ? i know the tweak and i have all my results twice. But don't you think it is totally unfair for all who look in the "normal rules" and take part in the competition. I think it is! Then at last the admins should do an announcement on the cup page and edit the rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robi Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Since when did the mem tab become optional? AFAIk it has been mandatory since 2008 at least. The rules page says its optional in 3DMark but it is no longer. Sorry i forgot to say that it was about 3DMark and not UCBench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robi Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. http://hwbot.org/submission/2278860_robot_3dmark06_2x_geforce_8800_gtx_27387_marks No subtest details in SS, no ORB link. Yea, sorry for that, i am quite new to all this "Hwbot rules". I am not talking about doing the screenshot 100% right here. It was just an example that on the one hand people are taking correct screenshots serious - that is good - but on the other hand the rules are not clear to people who do not read all the threads in the forum. I just say someone from the hwbot-staff should take care about this, and just set the rules clear on the Team Cup Page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Yea, sorry for that, i am quite new to all this "Hwbot rules". I am not talking about doing the screenshot 100% right here. It was just an example that on the one hand people are taking correct screenshots serious - that is good - but on the other hand the rules are not clear to people who do not read all the threads in the forum. I just say someone from the hwbot-staff should take care about this, and just set the rules clear on the Team Cup Page. You missed the point. The point was, instead of b1tching and complaining about the rules, and being so quick on the report button to try to get submissions removed, one should be a little more concerned that one's own submissions conform to the rules. When in doubt, ASK somebody first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robi Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Hearing exactly from you that i am "b1tching" and quick on the report button is the joke of the year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 default run = default settings of the benchmark = loading it and pressing run. That last step of the logic is not correct. The default benchmark is whatever calculation has to be completed before getting a score, but obviously in this little world we try to optimize in any way possible to get a better score. We - set cores manually in Wprime - change run order in 3DMark01 - adjust affinity settings for Aquamark3 - disable feature tests in 3DMark Vantage - ... The UCBench 'benchmark' does not change when only selecting SSE3 or manually adjusting thread count, hence both are legit. It does change when you would change the bench-mode to time-based or password-based, hence it's not allowed to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luebke Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) so it is allowed just to run the 64 core-thread? or manually adjusting thread count, hence both are legit. i´ll try benching core2 this weekend... Edited July 5, 2012 by Luebke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2b Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Did any of you guys actually rerun the benchmark? I tried it using my q7700, and I didn't get the boost in the same spot both times... rofl.Could you please post a photo that's showing the IHS?I've never heard that Intel produced a Q7700!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Could you please post a photo that's showing the IHS?I've never heard that Intel produced a Q7700!? http://img04.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i8/T1k0lDXf4fXXbBvMo0_035312.jpg_310x310.jpg - not my chip, but same model. Retail and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2b Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Very interesting. Lerning never stops. Where did you get this, i would say, rare CPUs? You also have lots of processors for Socket 939 and AM2 that i've never heard of. ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Hearing exactly from you that i am "b1tching" and quick on the report button is the joke of the year! Keep it up. There are quite a few more of your submissions that don't conform to the rules. If I reported them all you'd have like 2 points left.:battle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Very interesting. Lerning never stops. Where did you get this, i would say, rare CPUs? You also have lots of processors for Socket 939 and AM2 that i've never heard of. ^^ Ebay, plus I got a friend who worked for AMD a long time ago:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robi Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Keep it up. There are quite a few more of your submissions that don't conform to the rules. If I reported them all you'd have like 2 points left.:battle: If you have nothing better to do feel free to report all my "standard stock clocking runs" with bad scores and make yourself ridiculous. And please go through all the submissions in the core 2 stage that don't have correct screenshots too. Would save us all a lot of time I also would suggest you as "screenshot prove guy" for Hwbot, you can look for not 100% correct screenshots all day then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Scott Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 If you have nothing better to do feel free to report all my "standard stock clocking runs" with bad scores and make yourself ridiculous. And please go through all the submissions in the core 2 stage that don't have correct screenshots too. Would save us all a lot of time I also would suggest you as "screenshot prove guy" for Hwbot, you can look for not 100% correct screenshots all day then! Not interested. Just proving a point is all. I'm done with this conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Sandbaggers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted July 7, 2012 Crew Share Posted July 7, 2012 Look it's the world against Knopf's CPU collection lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HobieCat Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 So, is setting 64 threads allowed? If so, then I need to re-bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Yep. I have to rerun a bunch of stuff too:p Oh well, better this way than to get our ass kicked in the last second I suppose (although I fear that will happen anyway, probably more tweaks out there I don't know of) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (although I fear that will happen anyway, probably more tweaks out there I don't know of) Dont worry I dont participate But yes, there is another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Allright, I seem to have screwed up a couple of subs by not having the launcher visible... it's listed as mandatory. However, why is it mandatory? It's just a launcher, and AFAIK all info can also be found in the verification link. Is it fair to say that if you've got a verification link then the launcher isn't really that necessary after all, as the same info can be found there? (IMO the launcher not needed in any case, there's no relevant info there that's not covered by CPUZ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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