knopflerbruce Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Added to the thread in the classified section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Hmm, now I gotta find out how to check cluster size.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 (edited) Hmm, now I gotta find out how to check cluster size.... Note - when you create a partition (non-bootable) you have the option to set the cluster size for the partition - I'm pretty sure this is different than the HDD sector size. On rotating storage I think the 512 sector size is hard coded - not so now for many controller/SSD combinations, pci-e drives. Can a check for this be added to the wrapper? - again not partition cluster but drive sector needs to be 512. Edited October 26, 2012 by SteveRo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Fully agree, Intel allow Driver based no change of Cluster Size and no Caching options. AMD Raid expert allowes both in Driver, so there is for me an huge difference. With RST you cant score 650 gen usage and 9G VS, on AMD you can change these settings to trick PCM to believe it runs faster... Mr. Moose, I have not used amd raid expert that much, can you adjust the amount of system memory used by the controller? If it is adjustable, what is the range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Note - when you create a partition (non-bootable) you have the option to set the cluster size for the partition - I'm pretty sure this is different than the HDD sector size. On rotating storage I think the 512 sector size is hard coded - not so now for many controller/SSD combinations, pci-e drives. Can a check for this be added to the wrapper? - again not partition cluster but drive sector needs to be 512. 1. I stand corrected, the misused terms in above posts confused me. 2. Yes. 3. Ofc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Mr. Moose, I have not used amd raid expert that much, can you adjust the amount of system memory used by the controller? If it is adjustable, what is the range? Have not looked at exactly usage, but no matter if 2,4 or more System memory.With right settings and Hdd sector size you get 9G VS+ no matter wich CPU;) gen usage is allost the same between 600-700. I vote for ban hdd sector size, getting back this bug to the Land of Rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Sweet Posted October 27, 2012 Author Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Again, I agree that we should NOT try to change who won what in previous competitions but I believe that tricking the benchmark in this way should not be allowed and points (including previous points) should not be awarded for using it.Mr. Moose, I have not used amd raid expert that much, can you adjust the amount of system memory used by the controller? If it is adjustable, what is the range? Have not looked at exactly usage, but no matter if 2,4 or more System memory.With right settings and Hdd sector size you get 9G VS+ no matter wich CPU gen usage is allost the same between 600-700 Thats is the problem, Amd raid eXpert is more like ramcaching that Rst, or i'm worng ? FYI. I never used amd raid expert. Edited October 27, 2012 by Sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Sweet Posted October 27, 2012 Author Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 First Post updated include real pictures of your rig, specifically storage and cooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Thats is the problem, Amd raid eXpert is more like ramcaching that Rst, or i'm worng ? FYI. I never used amd raid expert. I haven't used amd raid expert that much either. The remaining question regarding amd raid expert is can you adjust the amount of system memory used by the amd disk controller and if you can how much? I think the main issue with raid expert (that we know of) is the use of amd raid expert to set a HDD sector size greater than 512. Edited October 27, 2012 by SteveRo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) You cant set the memory wich RAID expert used. Problem is the sector size with this Tool. Edited October 27, 2012 by Moose83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Thats is the problem, Amd raid eXpert is more like ramcaching that Rst, or i'm worng ? FYI. I never used amd raid expert. I think both use ramcaching. They're pretty much equal apps if you don't mess with the sector size or what is was causing bugged scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Jep RST and raid expert both are ramcaching. Only the sector size is Problem with raid expert that makes pcm05 bugged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Sweet Posted October 27, 2012 Author Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Guys I'm fully agree with this ( use only sector side 512 in rst and raid expert ), but what about software like supercache or ramdik ?, thats software are like rst and raidexpert with cache, and do the same. Yes i know, thas are software no drivers, but are not detectable Edited October 27, 2012 by Sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Because ramcaching software you can change the mem it used. And its 10 times faster than RST or Raid Expert;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 27, 2012 Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Moose plz stop reporting my scores, they are getting removed on monday evening earliest, Pro is aware why. Plus he knows we used flash2 desktop; all conform the CN thread at that moment for the Team cup. Secondly I want to know before removing them scores what wil happen to the points we got accredited as TEAM... This benchmark is such a joke, looking at your current scores Moose with a 10-20K gap on the rest, ofcourse all according the rules, yeah right I vote for no more PCMark05 submissions till Geniebens wrapper pops up... Edited October 27, 2012 by Leeghoofd typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 You cant set the memory wich RAID expert used.Problem is the sector size with this Tool. Based on this I think the use of amd raid expert (when 512 sector size is used) is perfectly legal and probably not that much different than using irst for intel based boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Jep RST is a little bit faster than expert Tool so its normal legal same as RST;) only sector size is the Problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 27, 2012 Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) I vote for no more PCMark05 submissions till Geniebens wrapper pops up... Latest submitted scores are again a joke to me, the benchmark is not regaining it's credibility if you still achieve a 10-20K difference between the top 3...this with just two SSD's in RAID... Edited October 27, 2012 by Leeghoofd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) What exactly do you mean? Wich scores? Explain it;) You cant stop all from benching it If you mean 9G VS, i allready said i will delete them when finally decission is done. Edited October 27, 2012 by Moose83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I vote for no more PCMark05 submissions till Geniebens wrapper pops up... Latest submitted scores are again a joke to me, the benchmark is not regaining it's credibility if you still achieve a 10-20K difference between the top 3...this with just two SSD's in RAID... Not all are out of line, Moose's intel submits all look good to me as does Denis's latest 4x. When the decision to not allow non-512's is made - Moose will do the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Thanks Steve For now i let my AMD scores in, but when sector size change will be disallowed with raid expert, then pretty shure i will delete them;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Sweet Posted October 27, 2012 Author Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) I vote for no more PCMark05 submissions till Geniebens wrapper pops up... Latest submitted scores are again a joke to me, the benchmark is not regaining it's credibility if you still achieve a 10-20K difference between the top 3...this with just two SSD's in RAID... Please show me this sub. and why ? We will review them if necessary we see with Pro. No submissions in Pcmark until wrapper are ready, is a very hard desicion, but if we prove something dirty, we will, of course GEN this weekend is working very hard with the wrapper Maybe We may prohibit any submission with ramcache, like rst - amd raid eXpert or any software that do this, can be from now on or in the entirety of the base, regardless of the date I think Steve are right , only allowed, rst an amd r expert with 512 sector side "Only" Edited October 27, 2012 by Sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I think Steve are right , only allowed, rst an amd r expert with 512 sector side "Only" Completely concur. Also, I recommend we do not preclude folks with pcie controllers (areca, lsi, high point, ...) or pcie SSDs - these should be allowed, provided they all keep sector size to 512. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 That sounds nice:) only forbid sector size change. Completly ban RST and raid expert is an bad idea not anybody has an raid card;) So non areca benchers must have a chance too, agree: ) @Leeghoft, please link submits you do not agree we can discuss it my friend, no problem;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Sweet Posted October 27, 2012 Author Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 we do not preclude folks with pcie controllers (areca, lsi, high point, ...) or pcie SSDs But if you and IMOG sold their arecas and i-rams ? I think you have reason would we have to add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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