Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 27, 2012 Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Steve without a valid submision link or full submission text you got no proof it was actually run at 512... neither of the hardware being used, I can put in 20 SSD's in the submission yet continue to use 1K sector format on a drive and switch between it and the other drives to keep eg gen usage lower and let the virus scan rip PCMark apart. Coz it's not visible in the detailled settings from PCM05. Hence why we need a verification link or the wrapper right now... Eg: Glucovios screenshots don't line up, look at the subs, between shot 1 and 2, there are minor detail differencies. Maybe a slip, maybe done on purpose to hide something... you tell me Moose indeed after 15 pages of so called bugged 12.8 driver nagging, now uses the sectorisation too... too proove what ? Something we already knew a month ago ? That it's not related to cache but just how you setup the RAID ? Beats me why them submissions were done... My point is this Sweet If you want to get it sorted, do right from the start, not with 12 inbetween steps... which just leads to more confusion. Nice if you have the hardware right now, set a score and sell it. Then a month later it get's pulled because the rules changed again. It's thanks to the software tweaking guys' ingeniuty, that this benchmark is in it's current appalling state. No idea what some of you exactly want to achieve, however you guys will always got some "ahum tweak" behind your sleeves that will keep the gap. Seriously if you believe in the honesty that all submissions will be done on 512 setting, you will be utterly dissapointed Far easier to believe in Santa Claus... I'm not attacking/accusing anyone, I just see new scores being 10-20K apart from the rest of that CPU type, so till now nothing has really changed... there will always be more then meets the eye in PCM05 Edited October 27, 2012 by Leeghoofd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Lol, SteveRo only sell some acards Imog i think will buy new:) Mr. Leeghoft, i allready said i will delete if disallowed sector change;) And gluvos result is now fixed;) Edited October 27, 2012 by Moose83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 But if you and IMOG sold their arecas and i-rams ? I think you have reason would we have to add yes - I have been selling my storage stuff but not all of it - yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 A little bit sandbagging Steve Shure you have enough acards at home and shoot all scores down quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 27, 2012 Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 i allready said i will delete if disallowed sector change;)And gluvos result is now fixed;) This leads to more more confusion mate, that's my point of the above posts , not everybody reads through this thread. I don't care about PCMark05 , we just benched it to get some team points out of the Team cup (and had a meazle 2 SSDs to work with ) and just used the approved tweaks in the CN PCM05 thread; Now they all get deleted... that's just plain lol isn't it ? :banana: Time to get it black on white on paper and asap in the rules of PCM05 what can and can't be done... go go Genieben ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Sweet Posted October 27, 2012 Author Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) My point is this Sweet If you want to get it sorted, do right from the start, not with 12 inbetween steps... which just leads to more confusion Good point. I'm sorry for that, to maintain this benchmark, and that is what I have tried (like knopflerbruce, GENiEBEN, Pro, Gautman, Masman SF3D...well all staff), keep PcMark05. Nice if you have the hardware right now, set a score and sell it. Then a month later it get's pulled because the rules changed again. It's thanks to the software tweaking guys' ingeniuty, that this benchmark is in it's current appalling state Again good point. Perhaps by ingenuity of tweaking's guys, or overruns tweaks (cheats - supertweaks or or whatever) has wounded at this benchmark, also assume that the staff is responsible of this, let things happen and the guys play, too much, but we got out of hand. And now we must work harder to get its house in order, or PcMark cease to exist as a benchmark. My apoligies, I'm just trying to fix what is broken, and there are (direct) guilty of this. I assure you that many of us are working a many time to fix this problem. Note: For several days I am almost 24/7 in this forum, for fix PcMark Edited October 27, 2012 by Sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Staff take an part too on what happened. You allowed much in the past, so we played it more and more;) So dont say we are the hard supertweakers:p I see new Players in this bench every Day, so for me its much better now:) @Leeghoft, remember your own words on raid expert, use it or not, decission is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Sweet Posted October 27, 2012 Author Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 yes - I have been selling my storage stuff but not all of it - yet! Then, again, I will not be fighting in the PCMark with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew pro Posted October 27, 2012 Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 Stop bickering like kids, seriously, if you want to bitch create another thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluvocio Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Leeghofd, You've got me ! I'm hiding infinite symbol + chuck norriss in all my txt documents I decided to use it so 'cause in this trehad I Thinked to Top Dog Screenshots... they're more pretty than a *.txt file opened. I've got ORB too in most important scores. If *.txt needed , no problem. I'm thinking too there should be made clarification once at all on sector size too. People do it 'cause it's allowed. PS : I bought all IMOG and SteveRo Acards ! Now I'll destroy you with 2000+ general usage on double controller ( I joke , I don't have them and I still can't reach 1500+ general like pro ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 27, 2012 Crew Share Posted October 27, 2012 That's why Pro is pro dude No worries, not my thingy ... I hope they get it back on track someway somehow, but do it quick and thorough !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Steve without a valid submision link or full submission text you got no proof it was actually run at 512... Yep, absolutely true, hopefully the wrapper can catch non-512 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Yep, absolutely true, hopefully the wrapper can catch non-512 Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 GenieBen catch them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 GenieBen catch them all ofc, ich geniesse es, wieder... Meanwhile playing with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Lol, you speak german then we can Talk in my home language Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluvocio Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 That's why Pro is pro dude No worries, not my thingy ... I hope they get it back on track someway somehow, but do it quick and thorough !! Too late... you're mentioned on my new e5200 submission Yes, pro is a wizard :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamunsa Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 imo rst & amd should be pulled. we don't allow mip or wire in 3d so folks who don't have the latest and greatest gfx card can still compete for globals now do we? you don't hear folks complaining that they can't compete agains volt-modded cards or how can he be allowed because he's on subzero. hardware benching is just that surely? raid is still possible for non 3rd party controller owners with onboard and still not having to use things like rst. in the giddy days when pc05 was mostly a storage based bench software & ram cacheing i thought was verboten - period. as for new subs coming in... i cannot help but agree that the 'piss taking' is still continuing. ethics online is thin on ground as it is. i've spent the last day and a half with another team member doing some comparison runs: 3770k @ 4.5, 4gb 2400 psc 9-10-9, lsi 9265-8i with 8 agility 3s and an old 5870 @ 1000/1300. using drive letter change to keep xp startup around 200mbs, bob tweak, d3d, powertoy (regedit) and tidy ie9. scores sitting consistantly around 44k. about to throw some sub on the chip now.. does anyone think another gig on the core is going to scale up to another 10k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M.O.G. Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Imog i think will buy new:) Doubtful. I'm chasing Stevero, I want his spot in the US rankings... But my plan is to do it in 3D mostly. I'd only buy strong storage again if I can't manage to catch him without it. It's too expensive for my taste/wallet. Plenty of points out there other than PCM05. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew pro Posted October 28, 2012 Crew Share Posted October 28, 2012 we are making decisions on sector sizes, RST and raid xpert right now official announcement as soon as we make decision, lots of factors to consider, i think its better to take a few days and make the right decision than regret it in a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 i think its better to take a few days and make the right decision than regret it in a month I wish that approach had been taken months ago, then non of this would be happening now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluvocio Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 we are making decisions on sector sizes, RST and raid xpert right now official announcement as soon as we make decision, lots of factors to consider, i think its better to take a few days and make the right decision than regret it in a month wise words mate ! In doubts , I'll use controller where there is not to make decision So I will not have to re-make my scores another time ( that's not much amusing ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 imo rst & amd should be pulled. we don't allow mip or wire in 3d so folks who don't have the latest and greatest gfx card can still compete for globals now do we? you don't hear folks complaining that they can't compete agains volt-modded cards or how can he be allowed because he's on subzero. hardware benching is just that surely? raid is still possible for non 3rd party controller owners with onboard and still not having to use things like rst. in the giddy days when pc05 was mostly a storage based bench software & ram cacheing i thought was verboten - period. as for new subs coming in... i cannot help but agree that the 'piss taking' is still continuing. ethics online is thin on ground as it is. i've spent the last day and a half with another team member doing some comparison runs: 3770k @ 4.5, 4gb 2400 psc 9-10-9, lsi 9265-8i with 8 agility 3s and an old 5870 @ 1000/1300. using drive letter change to keep xp startup around 200mbs, bob tweak, d3d, powertoy (regedit) and tidy ie9. scores sitting consistantly around 44k. about to throw some sub on the chip now.. does anyone think another gig on the core is going to scale up to another 10k? The general problem with RST is that it has been used for a long time. It's kinda the same as blocking LOD NOW, although on a smaller scale. it's impossible to clear the bot for RST based results, banning it is perhaps the right solution, but it takes too much work to go throught he whole 05 database looking for those results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 The Problem isnt RST or raid expert;) The only Problem is the sector size wich is offert in raid expert. I stop now completly pcm05, waiting for final decission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveRo Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Doubtful. I'm chasing Stevero, I want his spot in the US rankings... But my plan is to do it in 3D mostly. I'd only buy strong storage again if I can't manage to catch him without it. It's too expensive for my taste/wallet. Plenty of points out there other than PCM05. Given your oc skill I think you will make quick work of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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