The official MSI Godlike OC Tournament: Ambient 2D Battle thread.

[masterbitz]

greetings, I would ask whether here in the competition may be used several intel processors, as I see that a competitor has used 2 different processors ???????????????????????????????????

[Taloken]

Of course you can ^^

 

For example, XTU top scores will be with good 4790K or 5820/5930K, but G3258 will dominate Hwbot Prime stage as usual ^^

[Guest george.kokovinis]

Do we know the stages of the 3D part of the competition ?

Did I read somewhere IGP ???

 

COME ON....

[Guest george.kokovinis]

I have to insist on my question. I would like to know the 3D part of the competition stages and hardware. IGP, if it applies, is simply...well, ridiculous.

Overclocking IGP is actually playing with BCLK and GT voltages.

This CAN'T be considered a 3D competition.

It relies to the processor ability to overclock, and to which extent IGP.

It is solely a motherboard and processor issue and not knowledge and overclocking capability of any user on any specific graphics card.

 

If it is true, it is really a shame.

[pepinorang]

I have to insist on my question. I would like to know the 3D part of the competition stages and hardware. IGP, if it applies, is simply...well, ridiculous.

Overclocking IGP is actually playing with BCLK and GT voltages.

This CAN'T be considered a 3D competition.

It relies to the processor ability to overclock, and to which extent IGP.

It is solely a motherboard and processor issue and not knowledge and overclocking capability of any user on any specific graphics card.

 

If it is true, it is really a shame.

 

No need to use bold caracters and be agressive...

 

Benchmarks will be revealed at a later date and YES, 3D Battle for Ambient is IGP.

Overclocking GPU is actually playing with frequencies and vGPU/vRAM, no difference.

3D benchmarks are 3D, no matter you run them on GPU or IGP.

Ambient users tipically don't wish and/or can't afford to invest extra money in the setup they most likely use 24/7 only for an online competition. What would really be a shame is to force them to buy a specific graphic card.

Edited August 11, 2015 by pepinorang

[Guest george.kokovinis]

No need to use bold caracters and be agressive...

 

Benchmarks will be revealed at a later date and YES, 3D Battle for Ambient is IGP.

Overclocking GPU is actually playing with frequencies and vGPU/vRAM, no difference.

3D benchmarks are 3D, no matter you run them on GPU or IGP.

Ambient users tipically don't wish and/or can't afford to invest extra money in the setup they most likely use 24/7 only for an online competition. What would really be a shame is to force them to buy a specific graphic card.

 

 

No sir. I am not aggressive.

 

5820K/5930K/5960X do not have IGP at all.

 

Have you ever seen a single submission even from a rookie with IGP ?

[Frantik]

Can't upload HWbot prime result due to ''The CPU load temperature must be higher than 20°C'' although temp is higher

Why is that?

[Frantik]

ok solved...i put it manually

[cssorkinmanOCN]

I take it that the use of any means to cool the heatsink, radiator etc other than the ambient air is prohibited in the ambient 2d comp ?

[M3TAl]

Hey cssorkinman. My understanding is ice bath is allowed... Just need load temps over 20C.

[raules009]

@pepinorang stage 3 I have to add the link ?

http://hwbot.org/submission/2948268

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3202823

but does not see the model and the bios of the motherboard ?

 

Model Unknown

Motherboard Unknown

BIOS void

 

thanks raul

[Guest george.kokovinis]

Hey cssorkinman. My understanding is ice bath is allowed... Just need load temps over 20C.

 

 

...Or a water chiller or an ss adjusted to show temps just over 20 load.

 

Yeap...ambient.

 

Mods say play by the rules...

Only these rules have a very high and wide interpretation range.

 

I see submissions with max load temps of 20 degrees, of a 4790K

running at 5.2ghz with 1.575 Vcore.

 

This means idle is way below -30 or -40.

 

Ambient my ...

[Guest george.kokovinis]

No need to use bold caracters and be agressive...

 

Benchmarks will be revealed at a later date and YES, 3D Battle for Ambient is IGP.

Overclocking GPU is actually playing with frequencies and vGPU/vRAM, no difference.

3D benchmarks are 3D, no matter you run them on GPU or IGP.

Ambient users tipically don't wish and/or can't afford to invest extra money in the setup they most likely use 24/7 only for an online competition. What would really be a shame is to force them to buy a specific graphic card.

 

MSI and HWBOT have the right to make the rules as they like.

But..

 

When you allow on 2D the use of any processor and even multiple processors, ranging from 60 to 1200$, why don't you allow similarly

the use of any card on 3D ?

 

Just a rhetoric question.

Some decisions are way out of any rationalism.

 

Don't bother answering man...

 

I quit the competition.

There are people already running Single stage on processors at -30 idle

and 20 load, and think that others are either stupid or blind.

 

And all the sensitivity and "no expense" idea for 3D is IGP.

 

Yeah, sure.

 

HAPPY COMPETITION EVERYONE !!!

[cssorkinmanOCN]

I appreciate the replies metal, george, hoping a hwbot official would pop in and have a little clarification for me. Just want a fair chance to compete, if it's anything goes as long as you show a load temp of 20 C then so be it, if it's no using any means other than ambient air that's fine too.

Great sponsors, great prizes

[M3TAl]

Too bad I don't have access to anything that would give a huge help with temps, just good ole fashioned custom water with high ambient temps

[raules009]

MSI and HWBOT have the right to make the rules as they like.

But..

 

When you allow on 2D the use of any processor and even multiple processors, ranging from 60 to 1200$, why don't you allow similarly

the use of any card on 3D ?

 

Just a rhetoric question.

Some decisions are way out of any rationalism.

 

Don't bother answering man...

 

I quit the competition.

There are people already running Single stage on processors at -30 idle

and 20 load, and think that others are either stupid or blind.

 

And all the sensitivity and "no expense" idea for 3D is IGP.

 

Yeah, sure.

 

HAPPY COMPETITION EVERYONE !!!

 

if you're referring to me saying they use single stage you're wrong .

I also have several backups with my g3258

this is what I did in the competition asus without delid

 

http://img.hwbot.org/u45698/image_id_1449623.jpg

 

now with delid I managed to do a lot more , I did 5,2ghz with only 1.55volt temp min 30 max 58 using ice water .

 

I can also post videos .

but I believe that you have not thought of something , maybe just maybe hwbotprime records the minimum and maximum temperature automatically so as XTU

[Guest george.kokovinis]

if you're referring to me saying they use single stage you're wrong .

I also have several backups with my g3258

this is what I did in the competition asus without delid

 

http://img.hwbot.org/u45698/image_id_1449623.jpg

 

now with delid I managed to do a lot more , I did 5,2ghz with only 1.55volt temp min 30 max 58 using ice water .

 

I can also post videos .

but I believe that you have not thought of something , maybe just maybe hwbotprime records the minimum and maximum temperature automatically so as XTU

 

You are terribly wrong to make assumptions like this.

 

And I am not referring only to the competition.

I repeat :

 

As the rules say, max load temps should be 20+.

I do not make the rules.

In order to have 20 max at full blast either with a 4790K or a G3258,

both running above 5ghz, one must have idle temps -30.

 

I do not consider this ambient competition.

Either a powerful water chiller is needed or an SS calibrated to allow 20+.

 

It is simple math man.

Since you posted -

You have a submission with a G3258 running at 5100 I think, with max temps 20-23 on each core respectively.

Unless your HWmonitor image lies.

 

What am I to believe ?

Ice water ?

 

Maybe, if the ice water was at -30 and your pump can handle such

low temps....OK.

 

What I am saying, on a broader basis, is that I do not consider this ambient.

 

Most rookies and Novice players do not have any idea, yet, of what we are talking about.

 

I respect them.

And when I compete I do it with plain water and a loop. Or an AIO.

 

I have a piotres cascade with -114 idle on a 400W dummy load and

-93 at full blast on a 5960X running at 5.7ghz.

I also have two Piotres water chillers.

 

I DO NOT USE THEM WHEN THE COMPETION SAYS "AMBIENT".

 

Wikipedia : Ambient condition of operation = Equal or above

ambient temperature.

 

That is all.

HWbot may consider ambient otherwise.

And the specific MSI completion says 3D with IGP.

 

Maybe it is just me, but all this is so grey, like a cloudy day with lots of

fog.

 

So I am out, only for the respect I owneto the other players, who indeed

fight with ambient means ( the vast majority of them ).

 

For the hell of it, I can install my cascade on the 4790K and the G3258,

calibrate it to load temps of 20 and get my 4790K at 5.5ghz.

 

I suppose you would like that, and not only you.

 

Respect to all.

Edited August 16, 2015 by george.kokovinis

[Mr.Scott]

 

As the rules say, max load temps should be 20+.

I do not make the rules.

In order to have 20 max at full blast either with a 4790K or a G3258,

both running above 5ghz, one must have idle temps -30.

 

I do not consider this ambient competition.

Either a powerful water chiller is needed or an SS calibrated to allow 20+.

 

 

:woot:

:celebration:

[raules009]

You are terribly wrong to make assumptions like this.

 

And I am not referring only to the competition.

I repeat :

 

As the rules say, max load temps should be 20+.

I do not make the rules.

In order to have 20 max at full blast either with a 4790K or a G3258,

both running above 5ghz, one must have idle temps -30.

 

I do not consider this ambient competition.

Either a powerful water chiller is needed or an SS calibrated to allow 20+.

 

It is simple math man.

Since you posted -

You have a submission with a G3258 running at 5100 I think, with max temps 20-23 on each core respectively.

Unless your HWmonitor image lies.

 

What am I to believe ?

Ice water ?

 

Maybe, if the ice water was at -30 and your pump can handle such

low temps....OK.

 

What I am saying, on a broader basis, is that I do not consider this ambient.

 

Most rookies and Novice players do not have any idea, yet, of what we are talking about.

 

I respect them.

And when I compete I do it with plain water and a loop. Or an AIO.

 

I have a piotres cascade with -114 idle on a 400W dummy load and

-93 at full blast on a 5960X running at 5.7ghz.

I also have two Piotres water chillers.

 

I DO NOT USE THEM WHEN THE COMPETION SAYS "AMBIENT".

 

Wikipedia : Ambient condition of operation = Equal or above

ambient temperature.

 

That is all.

HWbot may consider ambient otherwise.

And the specific MSI completion says 3D with IGP.

 

Maybe it is just me, but all this is so grey, like a cloudy day with lots of

fog.

 

So I am out, only for the respect I owneto the other players, who indeed

fight with ambient means ( the vast majority of them ).

 

For the hell of it, I can install my cascade on the 4790K and the G3258,

calibrate it to load temps of 20 and get my 4790K at 5.5ghz.

 

I suppose you would like that, and not only you.

 

Respect to all.

you can do it but know that you will find, and very easy to integrate into the program the recording of the temperature during the benchmark (in my file that is used to validate the test hwbotprime has already integrated temperature control but I can be wrong)

[M3TAl]

you can do it but know that you will find, and very easy to integrate into the program the recording of the temperature during the benchmark (in my file that is used to validate the test hwbotprime has already integrated temperature control but I can be wrong)

 

It is possible HWMonitor glitched out. I know when doing Geekbench my HWiNFO64 glitches out alot and shows cores with a max temp of around 40C when in reality it's more like 70C. CPU Package does show the correct temp however.

[raules009]

@pepinorang stage 3 I have to add the link ?

http://hwbot.org/submission/2948268

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3202823

but does not see the model and the bios of the motherboard ?

 

Model Unknown

Motherboard Unknown

BIOS void

 

it is OK ? or you should see the model motherboard bios in the validation link ?

thanks raul

Edited August 17, 2015 by raules009

[websmile]

Hi Raul - No problem that the validation link does not show full info, you have complete screenshot including results and launch window that shows mainboard used - valid comp score for me

[xobonesox]

Man when I saw this MSI challenge for Ambient users I got excited because I thought id actually be able to compete using fans and my AIO or custom water system but after seeing the top resulted using ice bucks and other deceives to cool there cpus down passed 20C before the load temperatures there's no way for me to keep pushing my setup =/ but I tried hopefully the 3D wont be so hard =p

 

p.s. if they really wanted to give people who don't have extra parts and money a chance they should have said idle temps had to be above 25C

 

good luck everyone

[M3TAl]

GG on 2D everybody, seems a lot of people held onto their subs until the last minute.

[nvidiaforever2]

hi , i've seen some submissions with hwmonitor only showing idle temp .

Is is allowed ?

In fact hwmonitor wasn' t even open while benching . They opened it just for the screenshot .

How is it possible to monitor load temperature then ?

 

thanks