knopflerbruce

The reason why we don't moderate this benchmark too well is because it's nearly impossible to tell what's a legit score and what's not. We can't ban people unless we're almost 100% sure that a cheat was used, obviously... and if we want to pull a score it has to be quite clear that it's bugged. If we can't tell, we can't block. Too many tweaks, and too much difference between a "stock" run and a tweaked one to be sure...

I could add that strictly speaking, LOD shouldn't be allowed either, as it definately changes the way the benchmark is run (nature isnt meant to look like a forest after a huge fire). But in the end, we all use it. Mipmap: cheat, LOD allowed. If it's possible to draw a few lines so that its possible to moderate we can keep this one, if not: either allow everything, or remove it. However, this benchmark is a joke. Should be rather obvious when you have to cap a subtest, so it's no longer about getting the highest Xp score, it's about getting as close as possible to a fixed number - after crippling the performance of your raid array... When a system is defined as too fast for a benchmark it's a sign that it's outdated and should be removed.

We don't block every score with missing subtests, no need to if it's OBVIOUS that it's valid. In your case you're 15% ahead of the other guy, at the same clocks - and without subtests we can't see what's going on, and then we have no choice but to remove the result. If the one without subtests was the 148xx one, then it probably wouldn't be blocked. I don't know about the disable post processing stuff as I'm more of a 2D guy, but if you're doing that your score will be blocked again, with or without subtests...

yeah, saw that when I submitted some GPU scores - unlocked cores in a Nehalem? wtf:D

it's still a 465 even if the BIOS is changed and flashed to a different card. Nothing unfair at all, anyone can flash to a 470 BIOS, no?

We don't separate by cores, you see only one model of Athlon II 630 for example, even though they come with both Propus and Deneb cores:) Plus, based on the batch this is a Deneb one:D

Bug: if you want to submit a score and use the auto-fill feature without selecting a benchmark first, you get this: We could blame this on you but it's most likely our crappy coding skills. You could try again or nudge our developpers for fixing this. 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I get this when I try to mark a score as "checked by a moderator": We could blame this on you but it's most likely our crappy coding skills. You could try again or nudge our developpers for fixing this. 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org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.processConnection(ChannelSocket.java:697) org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket$SocketConnection.runIt(ChannelSocket.java:889) org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run(ThreadPool.java:690) java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)

Bug: "Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX Info: * Socket: PCIe * Popularity: 12798 submissions * Discuss: discuss * Most popular motherboards using this videocard: Infinity NF4X, LANparty UT nF3 250Gb, K8N-E Deluxe, GA-K8NS, MS-7135" Ridiculous list of cards, the nf3 one doesn't even have a pcie slot...

Yeah, I think most use them because they can, not because of the "insane advantage".

I guess the problem is that the older tests are influenced by the CPU anyway on the newer cards, especially in SLI. A good SB won't be too bad, or what?

Maybe he doesn't have limited resources?

I don't think GT is that relevant for the geforce 6 or 7 stages. A decent SB is more than enough. Maybe the other 3, though?

Thanks Yeah, i'm happy with it. Just need to figure out how to improve my efficiency, it's trash...

With my limited knowledge I can't tell if this score is real or not, but how are we supposed to moderate this benchmark? Not even the hardcore guys who ran this bench a million times agree on what's a reasonable score in the different subtests and what's not:o I don't know what's the best thing to do with this benchmark, but if 12k transparent and 32 pages/s is considered OK, then it means that anyone who can post similar scores probably did it in a way that's accepted by us. The only way we can figure out if an illegal tweak was used is to look at the numbers in the screenshots. 12k is 12k for everyone, if we accept it as a legit result, then it means that people who cheat (browser change?) and get 12k won't get punished. On the other hand, removing a fair score is kinda not a good idea either. This benchmark is messed up!

I made a similar thread, didnt see this one Persoanlly, I feel that we should say "anything goes" or remove at least globals from this benchmark, it seems like veryone has their own opinion on how the benchmark works, and a LOT of the scores are all over the place when you look at subtests.

Rev 3 had a shitload of bugs, after this lsat fix I feel it's better than rev 3

Ditto:D

Pure Awesomeness!

Looking good! Waiting for more numbers

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Well, if you do this in competitions you'll more or less get NO submissions during the last two days, and then a shitload near the end. Is that what we want? I still don't see why backups are so bad... we all know that it's an advantage to know what score you have to beat, but shouldn't we rather reward people who push their systems to their limits instead of calling it a day once they've got the top spot by a small margin? The way it is now you kinda have to push hard even after you've got a record as there is a risk of someone posting backups a little later.

Is this really that much of a problem?

I could always try to improve this one... 4044 CPUZ should mean at least 3800 benchable

Easy way to get the MSI achievement ^^ Proof of skill right there in yo face, PJ!