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For me 0902 booted 3200C12 from first time, while 8305 was going through F9 sycles before finally booting up. Try Taiphoon burner, IIRC the free version can read SPD. I'd say it is very likely your memory is not B-die. Are the primaries flat in the specs or something like 15-18-18? Also you can't adjust subtimings manually with current AGESA code, you can only change primaries in bios, all others are controlled by AMD and the strap you choose. elmor said the subtimings are just placeholders at the moment in case AMD unlocks them again in the future.

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Try bios flashback, remove battery, leave for one day, etc. Yours still shows some sign of life, while mine is not reacting to anything - basically just power button is lit and couple of other LEDs.

You won't gain much over single-core XFR frequency in the case of 1800X. It requires a big increase in volts. You will see a better scaling with temperature in this case. I'm sceptical you would pass 4.2 even on 1.5V with your current cooling configuration. It won't kill your CPU though, I've seen accidental 1.7V on water.

Try 16-16-16 first, because it rounds up to the nearest even CAS, however on my system 3200 was straight boot with new bios. Same at 133.4 BCLK. Updated to 0902 Performance is on par with 8503, however I can't boot 4.1 anymore. It was working with 1.38V before, now it is stuck at 55 code no matter the voltage. Everything else is the same as on older bios, 4GHz works fine. 133.4x30.75 = 55 code 133.4x30.50 = 55 133.4x30.25 = 55 133.4x30.00 = BOOT PS: Setting CCX ratios from windows works. Edit: Strange thing is over 31 ratio it works. So there's something like a hole between 30 and 31. Edit2: In fact it is not related to ratios, because 100x30.50 works, but 100x40.25 doesn't. The hole is from 4 to 4.1GHz.

Ok, but what about LN2? I was going to freeze it today.

chew*, here's your wprime on Win7 x64 SP1, full auto in bios, CPU running at 3.7GHz on load. No tweaks.

I could reproduce it on Windows 7 x64 SP1 and everything on default in bios with 1800X. The system shuts down (8 code on Hero). Tried with OC and manual settings, same thing. Had it pass once though (on 4.1GHz).

Ok, I understand the reasoning behind not adding the connectors. At least we have reading points. My problem is all my hardware is retail from the store and if I solder connectors to the reading points, it will void the warranty. Usually I don't care about warranty when there's some solid reason of voiding it, but in this case I would like to keep things at stock due to the high risk something goes bad and it's not really a cheap board for my country standards. Am I safe to assume that this bricking situation only happens with auto update over internet? I don't even have an internet connection on my bench systems. I will try the new bios, but 5803 seems fine in terms of performance, so I might stick with it for a while. Thanks again for all the work you and ROG team are doing for the community. I expect some more extreme board in the near future though, so this is one of the reasons I don't want to modify the Hero in any way, which will help me sell it. The AM3 coolers support idea is brilliant though and a big selling point. Thumbs up. PS: LLC seems to be working now, not sure what was the problem before. It seems LLC was stuck at lvl5 which overshoots with about 100mV. Level 1 and 2 seem to be the best for me.

@elmor, thanks! So for bios flashing we have a SPI header to recover from this brick situation. I'm missing 2 things on this board: 1) dual EEPROM bios chips, preferably socketed with hw switch 2) voltage read points in the form of connectors with supplied voltage cables Perhaps 1) is somehow limited by the platform. For 2) I don't know why noone adds these anymore, they are much more convenient than the current measurement points. Can we have the pinout of the header?

Yes.

Full manual mode. I always measure with DMM. Maybe it depends on some other values. I will test more in the evening. Bios 5803

@elmor Any words about LLC levels? What I see is big overvolt on any of the levels - about +0.1V load above what is set in bios and +0.2 in idle. Am I doing something wrong?

Booting 3200 divider with 2x8GB B-die is easy. You just need to wait for the F9 - shutdown cycle. The board shuts down 5 times on F9 POST code, then boots. If 12-12-12-12 doesn't work for your directly, start from 15-15-15-15-36, then bump DRAM voltage if needed and set 12-12-12-12. I guess most reviewers didn't wait for the "training?". Maybe it sets each timing per cycle? Not sure, maybe elmor could answer. Just playing around, still on stock cooler, which is by the way pretty fine...and that's the weakest Wraith cooler. Now off to bclk OC.

Had Win7 x64 installed on Apex, moved the ssd to Crosshair and plugged the mouse and keyboard in the black SUB ports. The OS installed drivers and I can use it now. MemTweakIt and TurboV from that installation seem to work, too. Still on 0601 bios the board came with, will update soon.

I noticed this too. Haven't played a lot with this board due to other problems and lack of time, but I was able to get 4133 12-11-11-28 1T bench stable with my old sticks. The key was DMI voltage. 1.3V seems to work ok for my system, but I haven't really used it a lot so far. Same observation for standby voltage though.

Damn, I will have to rerun with the new R15 version. Nice one.

I take it. Have other Mushkins 3500, Corsairs, etc. but you can never have enough BH-5, just like Hypers.

Thanks Jon, I made a good choice to get the Crosshair board again, but they wouldn't sell me a CPU before NDA lifts. Now it's national holidays and I have to wait until monday, but don't know which chip to get. It seems they all clock the same +/- 200MHz, but you probably have 4 - 4.1 pretty much guaranteed with 1800X. Anyone tested 1700 and 1700X under LN2? I know AMD wants to promote their flagship CPU, but not convinced it is worth it atm.

Not yet, but I hope Asus will do something about it and we have it working for benches like Pi. Overall from what I've seen CH6H is the board to get at the moment and that's what I bought. Happy to see elmor providing info and tools on launch day.

I wouldn't say it is ignorance. I haven't participated in competitions from such a long time, that I would have submitted without screenshot too. Many people don't read the competition threads, where various loopholes are discussed. Wouldn't blame these users too much, they are following the written rules. Simple as that. Noone is required to read the threads or follow all competitions. Plus there are too many different competitions with different rules. This one in particular says "Verification follows HWBOT rules". Even if I remembered a screenshot was a requirement previously, I can easily be mislead it is not required this time around.

If that vcore is right, then this is most probably a full pot run. On normal air/water I don't expect much more than 4.2, maybe some lucky chips could go a little higher, but the limit could also be really close to XFR limit (+100MHz) on the 1800X. And that is what I "predicted" some weeks ago.

It was expected. Actually it is beyond my expectation on LN2 (the photo says it in the filename), but kind of in line with BW-E. Next stepping in the future will improve OC potential. Overall it is a nice mainstream platform and AMD are back in the game. Unfortunately it won't be too interesting for overclock and with extreme cooling with the usual benchmarks for the bot. PS: Wonder if that vcore is detected right. And the other thing is if the 1800X will be "super binned" or 1700X could clock to the same frequencies.

Same as Barton 32M 5G/4G challenge?