Hd 3870x2

[maverik-sg1]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazar

If 7950GX2 was at single category, it is no doubt 3870X2 should remain as a single card.

 

There is a well-known saying..."To cut off your nose to spite your face".

 

There's no point repeating a decision from the past just because you made a (potentially wrong) decision in the past.

 

I agree with rich here.

 

Just to say that it was not brought up as an issue before - does not mean it's not an issue and yes 7950GX2 should be added to the list of hyrbid SLI or multi GPU graphics cards.

 

# of GPU's on board is the only way to score this fairly

[gradus]

sli/crossfire.

 

voodoo, 6600GT DUO, 7950GX2....3870X2....

all this cards sli/cross tehnology -> sli/crossfire!

[Shadowjump]

It always been like this, bazx. The fastest card is at the top... no-one complained when the 8800U ruled the rankings.

Yeah, but the Ultra has 1 chip. I dont mind whos ruling the rankings as long as its one chip.

Why not put 2 Ultras as one card? ;/

2 chips are 2 chips. Who cares about the slots?

So if hypotheticaly they release 1 graphic card with half chipset and you use 2 of them to have 1, it ll be multiple cards? No, it will act as one.

[Stocky]

I actually think the two core cards should probably have their own hybrid (freak) ranking. As they are technically SLI/ Crossfire, the hardware and software officially call them that, so they are that.

However, they fit in one physical slot so they don't really fit in either category; but I personally feel that eveidence shows that they are closer to SLI/CF than single in hardware and performance so have voted that way

[CapFTP]

according to me the card is single.

I think is correct to consider only the numbers of slot used

 

(and no matter if actually I made some WR....everyone with that card can do it..)

 

i think is just a generation change, as happened with conroe vs. AmD64 or similar

[harleybro]

As I stated in the comments it should be considered single. The performance of this card and 3870's in crossfire is differant. If they where identical clock for clock then maybe it should be considered crossfire. Changing the rules this late in the game would be a slap in the face to anyone purchasing one of these due to the results they where getting.

[stummerwinter]

Hard to judge..

 

But single and dual-core CPUs are also not splitted @ Pi / wPrime / PiFast...

 

So, single slot, single card...

[r1ch]

Hard to judge..

 

But single and dual-core CPUs are also not splitted @ Pi / wPrime / PiFast...

 

So, single slot, single card...

 

In reply to your post, I quote my reply earlier in the thread in relation to the 7950GX2.

 

r1ch;15440']

If 7950GX2 was at single category' date=' it is no doubt 3870X2 should remain as a single card.[/quote']

 

There is a well-known saying..."To cut off your nose to spite your face".

 

There's no point repeating a decision from the past just because you made a (potentially wrong) decision in the past.

 

I fully stand by this statement. Just because something happened one way in the past, it doesn't mean it's automatically right. It may well have been the correct decision at the time, but now may be better to proceed in another direction.

 

That being said, look at what rich has already said about the CPU side of things....

 

Splitting up single/multi sockets cpu's is planned, k404.

 

If the fact that the CPU section isn't divided up was the sole justification for your point of view, then you obviously need to think again.

 

I agree if we divide up the CPUs, and then the GPUs as well, I agree it starts to become a royal PITA with regard to coding, points allocation etc etc, but IMO that would be the fairest way to do it.

 

It's obvious that this is all about hwboints and awards. Ultimately, those with the card are going to vote to keep it in the single category, as they can rack up the points by using a dual gpu card to get easy points at the top...you just need to look at some of the people who've voted to keep it in the single card category to notice that.

 

I'm gonna be watching the votes on this with interest, and let's see where it gets to in a few days.

[knopflerbruce]

Yes and no. We are planning to divide cpu by number of sockets used, not number of cores.

 

Number of sockets is the same as number of pcie-slots for GPUs. 2 cores glued together to one CPU-pcb is the same as 2 GPUs "glued together" on one gpu-pcb IMO. I voted for 3870 x2 as a single card:)

[o polonos]

We can leave poll to talk

Single card is the winner as i can see...

[Maxi]

bazx did you vote the way you intended?

 

Let me know, I'll fix it if needed.

[knopflerbruce]

We can leave poll to talk

Single card is the winner as i can see...

 

How long does it run, btw? Before we have a winner I mean:) (seems obvious that it's going to be a single card, but who knows)

[Oliver]

As I stated in the comments it should be considered single. The performance of this card and 3870's in crossfire is differant. If they where identical clock for clock then maybe it should be considered crossfire. Changing the rules this late in the game would be a slap in the face to anyone purchasing one of these due to the results they where getting.

I cannot agree with you any more and indeed imo its true what stummerwinter says.. Its the same about cpus...

 

Keep pushing it...

 

Best Regards.

[bazx]

bazx did you vote the way you intended?

 

Let me know, I'll fix it if needed.

 

 

no can you fix it for me maxi

 

many thanks baz

[Maxi]

Hard to judge..

 

But single and dual-core CPUs are also not splitted @ Pi / wPrime / PiFast...

 

Do you think this would be the same if all 2D benchmarks were multi-threaded, not just wPrime?

[Predator]

IMHO it's single card all the way up, i already posted my pov in the other thread also

 

if you guys change it to CF/SLI rankings, then a lot of rankings should be altered aswell, I.E. 1x 2x and 4x cores in a chip in wprime and so on...

 

it's a new "generation" not itself as it's the same core as the 3870 , but ATI did their job implementing with success a hardware CF into a single PCB card, so it's single card in all terms, only it is dual core, why anyone complained about the 7950GX2? it's not only one but TWO PCBs for a card

 

it's moore law and nothing can be done for that, next gen of ATI/nVidia will kill the 3870X2 for sure, so why bother

 

saludos!

 

edit, lol it's indeed in this thread where i posted

[sacha35]

Skulltrail doesn't change anything. For example 3DM06 can use only 4 cores. If you have eight or sixteen, only four of them are doing job. It will be single motherboard and basic system with huge computing power in multithreated tasks. No worries about that.

 

and that's the way it should be. Skulltrail should get its own category for example:)

 

regarding the VGA cards, if HD3870X2 is CF, what will happen if you put in 2x HD3870X2 ? Quad CF is in multi card, so it will be in the same category as the single X2.

 

No I'm sorry, the HD3870X2 should be ranked as a single card product, end of story:)

 

Hi jmke, as you can see this has been sorted already and i Quote from what SF3D has said, (Skulltrail doesn't change anything) so i take it from what he has said this will stand as a one motherboard catagree as all the rest of the freely avalible motherboards, so as these words have come from one of your Moderators I take it this will stand as one Motherboard catagree and be lumped in with the rest of the CPU's.

[Praz]

If it is decided that the HD3870X2 is a two card solution what happens if a 2 PCB version is released. Will it be classified as a quad? Because a quad-core CPU has a performance advantage in benches like 3d06 and wprime users aren't forced to compete in a separate class.

 

The best rules are also the most simplistic, both in the present and with an eye towards the future. The classification of video cards as dictated by the current rules satisfies this. Crossfire and SLI should be decided by motherboard support and the number of physical slots required. If a single card is capable of running on a board without specific chipset support it should be classified as a single card.

 

Unfortunately, to stay at the top requires the continual purchase of the latest technology. This latest round of released and soon to be released video cards is no different.

[pro]

everyone has very different and understanding takes on this card,

 

my view is that, its as hard to manage as two cards, if not more,

 

have you tried lately trying to mount 2 pots to one of these cards, trying to troubleshoot which cards is holding you back, and everything that goes with it,

 

i think this should be in single card rankings, anyone that manages to run one of these on subzero has deserved their points!

[cdawall]

i agree with pro they deserve the points if they can get these to clock!

[dinos22]

i voted Xfire as it's two separate cores

same deal with upcoming nvidia card i reckon

[HousERaT]

I voted Crossfire. I think a new category should be developed for multi-core/multi-gpu cards.

[r1ch]

We can leave poll to talk

Single card is the winner as i can see...

 

Frigging hell...18 hours gone and you're already calling a winner? :/// At least let this run for a few days, hell even a week before looking at the results.

 

That being said, if the trend continues, then it would appear as if more people want it as a single card, so I'll accept that.

 

What has seriously disappointed me is people like the guy I've quoted and also (off the top of my head) SF3D and jmke that seem to have very closed minds, not willing to even consider another person's point of view. I find this very sad.

 

Thank you to the rest of the hwbot team for everything they've done, and creating the poll that is reflective of a larger group of people and not just the select few who think their opinions are the only ones that counts.

[anvil]

I voted for Single Card ranking.

 

I think that the fact that there are two GPUs on this card is the evolution of the material. Dual Core CPUs are becoming the minimum configuration and the same thing will happen for graphic cards.

 

There is no difference in the ranking between single core CPUs, dual core CPUs and quad core CPUs ; Wprimes, and 3Dmark06 are dominated by people who own a more than quad core CPU solution. This will be like this until octo core solution arrive.

 

For the HD3870X2, it's the same thing, they are on the top of the ranking, but just before that, Geforces 8800 were at the top level. The ranking will evolve by its own when new graphic cards will arrive. CF of HD3870X2 exists so I think we have to consider that we can't do less than one HD3870X2 so it have to be considered as a single card solution.

 

Regards.

[SF3D]

r1ch;15569']What has seriously disappointed me is people like the guy I've quoted and also (off the top of my head) SF3D and jmke that seem to have very closed minds' date=' not willing to even consider another person's point of view. I find this very sad.[/quote']

 

I'm sorry that we have made you feel that way. It was not our intention.

 

We don't have closed minds. I have talked with other moderators and we all put this poll up. Of course we like to now what community think about these issues.

 

Closed mind or not, I don't see any easy solution to moderate these new rankings which would be based on amount of GPUs. So my opinion doesn't change