xxbassplayerxx Posted March 4, 2016 Author Posted March 4, 2016 Board wasn't playing nice last night. Would boot in at 59/59/49/50 on auto but the second I tried to set those manually it wouldn't stuck at Post Code 35. Just as a bit of info, during the week I get about 20 minutes a night to mess with this. That's not enough to make much progress. Hopefully this weekend has a spare moment for me. Quote
Crew Leeghoofd Posted March 5, 2016 Crew Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) This should get some dialed it in a bit quicker XMP off, 1.24V SA & IO, 1.74V vDIMM, 3733 12-12-12 320 1T Edited March 6, 2016 by Leeghoofd Quote
xxbassplayerxx Posted March 8, 2016 Author Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) Big update incoming. I managed to get 738 on XTU with my 6320. [hwbot=3151555]submission[/hwbot] The BIOS Settings that made it happen are below. Note that you have to manually set the RTL's for Channel B in Channel B Memory Sub Timings. Everything else should be grayed out. As you can see, there are still tons of settings that are on Auto. I'm going to begin to explore these myself but if anyone has any knowledge that you're willing to share, please let me know! By using the settings below, realize that you are voiding the warranty on many of your components and failure is a real possibility. Only use the settings below as a reference if you are aware of this. Advanced Frequency Settings CPU Base Clock 102.74 Host Clock Value 102.74 CPU Clock Ratio 39 CPU Frequency 4.01GHz FCLK Frequency for Early Power On [Normal (800MHz)] Advanced CPU Core Settings Extreme Memory Profile(X.M.P.) [Disabled] System Memory Multiplier [37.33] Memory Frequency(MHz) 3835MHz Advanced Memory Settings Extreme Memory Profile(X.M.P.) [Disabled] System Memory Multiplier 37.33 Memory Boot Mode [Auto] Memory Frequency 3835MHz Memory Enhancement Settings [Normal] Memory Timing Mode [Manual] Profile DDR Voltage 1.20V Memory Multiplier Tweaker Auto Channel Interleaving [Auto] Rank Interleaving [Auto] Channel A Memory Sub Timings Memory Timing Mode [Manual] Memory Boot Mode [Auto] Channel A Standard Timing Control CAS Latency 12 tRCD 12 tRP 12 tRAS 28 Channel A Advanced Timings Control tRC 36 tWR 10 tCWL 9 tRRD_S 5 tRRD_L 5 tWTR_S 2 tWTR_L 10 tCCD_S Auto tCCD_L Auto tRFC 220 tRTP 6 tFAW 16 Commmand Rate(tCMD) 1 N/1 Ratio Mode Auto Channel A Misc Timing Control tREFI 30000 tREFIx9 Auto tXP Auto tXPDLL Auto tPRPDEN Auto tRDPDEN Auto tWRPDEN Auto tCPDED Auto tAONPD Auto tCKE 4 RFR Delay Auto tXSDLL Auto tXS Offset Auto tZQOper Auto tMOD Auto tRDRD_sg 6 tRDRD_dg 4 tRDRD_dr 5 tRDRD_dd 5 tRDWR_sg 12 tRDWR_dg 12 tRDWR_dr 12 tRDWR_dd 12 tWRWR_sg 6 tWRWR_dg 4 tWRWR_dr 4 tWRWR_dd 4 tWRRD_sg 25 tWRRD_dg 17 tWRRD_dr 5 tWRRD_dd 5 Round Trip Latency(DIMM0/Rank0) 59 Round Trip Latency(DIMM0/Rank1) Auto Round Trip Latency(DIMM1/Rank0) 49 Round Trip Latency(DIMM1/Rank1) Auto IoLatR0D0 4 IoLatR1D0 Auto IoLatR0D1 6 IoLatR1D1 Auto IoLatOffset Auto ODT Read Duration Auto ODT Read Delay Auto ODT Write Duration Auto ODT Write Delay Auto Read ODT(DIMM0/Rank0) Auto Read ODT(DIMM0/Rank1) Auto Read ODT(DIMM1/Rank0) Auto Read ODT(DIMM1/Rank1) Auto Write ODT(DIMM0/Rank0) Auto Write ODT(DIMM0/Rank1) Auto Write ODT(DIMM1/Rank0) Auto Write ODT(DIMM1/Rank1) Auto ODT Override(DIMM0/Rank0) Auto ODT Override(DIMM0/Rank1) Auto ODT Override(DIMM1/Rank0) Auto ODT Override(DIMM1/Rank1) Auto RttNom(Dimm0) Auto RttNom(Dimm1) Auto RttPark(Dimm0) Auto RttPark(Dimm1) Auto RttWr(Dimm0) Auto RttWr(Dimm1) Auto WR Additional(Dimm0/Rank0) Auto WR Additional(Dimm0/Rank1) Auto WR Additional(Dimm1/Rank0) Auto WR Additional(Dimm1/Rank1) Auto Decrement WR Delay Auto Additive Latency Auto Output Driver Impedance Control Auto CS to CMD/ADDR Latency Auto C/A Parity Latency Auto Channel B Memory Sub Timings Memory Timing Mode [Manual] Memory Boot Mode [Auto] Channel B Standard Timing Control CAS Latency Auto tRCD Auto tRP Auto tRAS Auto Channel B Advanced Timings Control tRC Auto tWR Auto tCWL Auto tRRD_S Auto tRRD_L Auto tWTR_S Auto tWTR_L Auto tCCD_S Auto tCCD_L Auto tRFC Auto tRTP Auto tFAW Auto Commmand Rate(tCMD) Auto N/1 Ratio Mode Auto Channel B Misc Timing Control tREFI Auto tREFIx9 Auto tXP Auto tXPDLL Auto tPRPDEN Auto tRDPDEN Auto tWRPDEN Auto tCPDED Auto tAONPD Auto tCKE Auto RFR Delay Auto tXSDLL Auto tXS Offset Auto tZQOper Auto tMOD Auto tRDRD_sg Auto tRDRD_dg Auto tRDRD_dr Auto tRDRD_dd Auto tRDWR_sg Auto tRDWR_dg Auto tRDWR_dr Auto tRDWR_dd Auto tWRWR_sg Auto tWRWR_dg Auto tWRWR_dr Auto tWRWR_dd Auto tWRRD_sg Auto tWRRD_dg Auto tWRRD_dr Auto tWRRD_dd Auto Round Trip Latency(DIMM0/Rank0) 59 Round Trip Latency(DIMM0/Rank1) Auto Round Trip Latency(DIMM1/Rank0) 50 Round Trip Latency(DIMM1/Rank1) Auto IoLatR0D0 4 IoLatR1D0 Auto IoLatR0D1 6 IoLatR1D1 Auto IoLatOffset Auto ODT Read Duration Auto ODT Read Delay Auto ODT Write Duration Auto ODT Write Delay Auto Read ODT(DIMM0/Rank0) Auto Read ODT(DIMM0/Rank1) Auto Read ODT(DIMM1/Rank0) Auto Read ODT(DIMM1/Rank1) Auto Write ODT(DIMM0/Rank0) Auto Write ODT(DIMM0/Rank1) Auto Write ODT(DIMM1/Rank0) Auto Write ODT(DIMM1/Rank1) Auto ODT Override(DIMM0/Rank0) Auto ODT Override(DIMM0/Rank1) Auto ODT Override(DIMM1/Rank0) Auto ODT Override(DIMM1/Rank1) Auto RttNom(Dimm0) Auto RttNom(Dimm1) Auto RttPark(Dimm0) Auto RttPark(Dimm1) Auto RttWr(Dimm0) Auto RttWr(Dimm1) Auto WR Additional(Dimm0/Rank0) Auto WR Additional(Dimm0/Rank1) Auto WR Additional(Dimm1/Rank0) Auto WR Additional(Dimm1/Rank1) Auto Decrement WR Delay Auto Additive Latency Auto Output Driver Impedance Control Auto CS to CMD/ADDR Latency Auto C/A Parity Latency Auto CPU Core Voltage Control CPU Vcore 1.200V Dynamic Vcore(DVID) Auto GPU Graphics Voltage (VAXG) Auto Dynamic VAXG(DVID) Auto CPU VCCIO 1.300V CPU System Agent Voltage 1.300V VCC Substained Auto VCCPLL Auto VCCPLL OC Auto CPU Core PLL Overvoltage (+mV) Auto DRAM Voltage Control DRAM Voltage (CH A/B) 1.900V DRAM Training Voltage (CH A/B) 1.850V DDRVPP Voltage (CH A/B) Auto DRAM Termination (CH A/B) Auto Chipset Voltage Control PCH Core 1.200V Edited March 8, 2016 by xxbassplayerxx Quote
GtiJason Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 What's going on with RTL/IOL's 56 58 13 13. Shouldn't they be 49 50 6 6 or so? Everything else looks money though, not many guys pushing GIGA boards like this, good work boss ! Quote
zeropluszero Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 Never touched my RTLS, left them auto personally. My boards dead so I cant test this. but set tFAW to 12 and tWRWR_dr and tWRWR_dd to 9. Surprised you got tCWL to 9, I could only get mine to 10. try looser timings from tRDWR_sg and lower. Quote
xxbassplayerxx Posted March 8, 2016 Author Posted March 8, 2016 What's going on with RTL/IOL's 56 58 13 13. Shouldn't they be 49 50 6 6 or so? Everything else looks money though, not many guys pushing GIGA boards like this, good work boss ! Must have been a bug when opening Timing Configurator... I had to retake the screen shot after closing everything because I accidentally covered The CPU tab in the first SS. I'll check the original SS when I get home to see what it shows. If it's not a bug, I wonder if changing tRC from auto to 36 did it? Quote
xxbassplayerxx Posted March 16, 2016 Author Posted March 16, 2016 What's going on with RTL/IOL's 56 58 13 13. Shouldn't they be 49 50 6 6 or so? Everything else looks money though, not many guys pushing GIGA boards like this, good work boss ! To follow up here, they seem to just get borked at some point, even when set manually. I have to load another profile and then re-load my main profile to get them to show right again. Once I get everything up and loaded, I'm going to turn on quick book to bypass any training on the RTL's. Quote
xxbassplayerxx Posted March 22, 2016 Author Posted March 22, 2016 Anyone have luck running four sticks on this board yet? Just threw in two more sticks of B-Die (four total)... trying to figure out what I need to change to get them to do the 3866 12-12-12 or so that I was doing with two sticks. Quote
Strong Island Posted March 22, 2016 Posted March 22, 2016 Anyone have luck running four sticks on this board yet? Just threw in two more sticks of B-Die (four total)... trying to figure out what I need to change to get them to do the 3866 12-12-12 or so that I was doing with two sticks. for some other boards changing twrwr_dd & twrwr_dr to like 8 and above helps me a lot with 4 sticks. Quote
GtiJason Posted March 22, 2016 Posted March 22, 2016 Anyone have luck running four sticks on this board yet? Just threw in two more sticks of B-Die (four total)... trying to figure out what I need to change to get them to do the 3866 12-12-12 or so that I was doing with two sticks. Good luck, I hope you can get close but I can hear the imc screaming already. Even if you have to lower frequency or raise timings 4 sticks of B Die will be very efficient Quote
xxbassplayerxx Posted March 23, 2016 Author Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) It's definitely some sort of setting. It wouldn't even boot 3200 with my settings for 3866, even with the tWRWR_dd and _dr set to 8. EDIT: Tried RTL's 49/50 6/6... going to keep trying more in a minute. Edited March 23, 2016 by xxbassplayerxx Quote
xxbassplayerxx Posted April 6, 2016 Author Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Thanks to @george\.kokovinis, I now have this board doing 3866 12-12-12 with no issue at all! Ignore my setting above and try 1.18V for VCCIO instead. It's suddenly completely stable where it wasn't earlier! Edited April 6, 2016 by xxbassplayerxx Quote
Guest george.kokovinis Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 Thanks to @george.kokovinis, I now have this board doing 3866 12-12-12 with no issue at all! Ignore my setting above and try 1.18V for VCCIO instead. It's suddenly completely stable where it wasn't earlier! Very glad that I helped. You are very kind. George:) Quote
xxbassplayerxx Posted April 6, 2016 Author Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Just a note... B-Die is very temperamental when it comes to voltage. It's very possible that your sticks may fail at 1.90V and require less to do 3866 12-12-12... Just have to test! It's also possible that they would require more, though less seems to be more common at this point. For reference, I have tested three sticks so far. The first wants ~1.88V, the second only passes sometimes but when it does, it's around 1.86V. The third just passed at 1.86V and I'm testing lower now. Edited April 6, 2016 by xxbassplayerxx Quote
Guest george.kokovinis Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 Although it might sound weird, IOL offset plays a significant role both in training and stability. Default at auto is 21. By setting manually both channels IOL offset to 23, you tighten up both RTL and IOL to 49/49 - 5/4. B-die likes that. With auto offset, there come times it might not train. Give it a go Quote
Fact11 Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 Hey Bass, I am running the same board as you, with Trident Z 3600C16 b die and when you are running at 3866 12-12-12-28 is that at 1T or 2T ? Because I'm having difficulty getting it stable at 1T. It will pass training and boot, but then it will either load windows and then freeze, or it will sometimes just get to the logo screen and then freeze. I have tried it with Bios versions X08, F6i, F6k and now the latest one F6. I set my Vccio to 1.185 and my SA to 1.2 and then set both my Dram and Dram Training Voltages to 1.88volts. It will pass but then its just not stable. I can get it do 3733 12-12-12-28 IT, and its fine, but will not complete a Super PI 32M if I run waza first. If I just run 32m with no waza it will complete it. Does yours complete 32M successfully ? Quote
Fact11 Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 Although it might sound weird, IOL offset plays a significant role both in training and stability.Default at auto is 21. By setting manually both channels IOL offset to 23, you tighten up both RTL and IOL to 49/49 - 5/4. B-die likes that. With auto offset, there come times it might not train. Give it a go Hey George, I'll give that a try and see what happens. I also tried your recommendation of setting the PCH voltage to 1.2, and I know you did it on a different model board, but when I try it on the Z170 SOC Force, and save and exit the bios, it will boot up once successfully, but then if I go to reboot or I shutdown the pc and then turn it back, it just powers up for a few seconds and then turns off and then just repeats that cycle, and then the only way to stop it is turn off the power switch on the PSU and press the CLR Battery button to reset the bios and then its fine again. Quote
Guest george.kokovinis Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 Hey George, I'll give that a try and see what happens. I also tried your recommendation of setting the PCH voltage to 1.2, and I know you did it on a different model board, but when I try it on the Z170 SOC Force, and save and exit the bios, it will boot up once successfully, but then if I go to reboot or I shutdown the pc and then turn it back, it just powers up for a few seconds and then turns off and then just repeats that cycle, and then the only way to stop it is turn off the power switch on the PSU and press the CLR Battery button to reset the bios and then its fine again. Each board has its likes and dislikes. Each mem kit also has its likes and dislikes. What works for me, may not work for others. The OCF has a totally different behavior than Soc-force and Asus M8E. Given that we are working with the same mem set and THE SAME CPU, after setting the basics that are common on all boards, we have to start a painful procedure of trial and error, providing that we are aware what each input we provide to the board means. VccSA of 1.2V that you mentioned is extremely low for anything beyond 3600, even at XMP. Since I own and have worked a lot on all three boards I mentioned ( and more ), the starting point for VccSA at 3733 is 1.25. Climbing the ladder to 3866 I use 1.30 and then at 4000 I use 1.35. 3866 at 1T is not easy. First and foremost it depends on the mems themselves. I have two sets cl17 and one set cl16. Out of the three only one set does 3866 - 1T and 4000 - 1T on the OCF. The final result depends on many parameters and every set up has its own peculiarities. With the exception of SPI, where a few milliseconds will make the difference, I have not noticed serious variances in many other benchmarks, that could very well be in the acceptable margin ( +/- 1% ) Quote
Fact11 Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 Each board has its likes and dislikes. Each mem kit also has its likes and dislikes. What works for me, may not work for others. The OCF has a totally different behavior than Soc-force and Asus M8E. Given that we are working with the same mem set and THE SAME CPU, after setting the basics that are common on all boards, we have to start a painful procedure of trial and error, providing that we are aware what each input we provide to the board means. VccSA of 1.2V that you mentioned is extremely low for anything beyond 3600, even at XMP. Since I own and have worked a lot on all three boards I mentioned ( and more ), the starting point for VccSA at 3733 is 1.25. Climbing the ladder to 3866 I use 1.30 and then at 4000 I use 1.35. 3866 at 1T is not easy. First and foremost it depends on the mems themselves. I have two sets cl17 and one set cl16. Out of the three only one set does 3866 - 1T and 4000 - 1T on the OCF. The final result depends on many parameters and every set up has its own peculiarities. With the exception of SPI, where a few milliseconds will make the difference, I have not noticed serious variances in many other benchmarks, that could very well be in the acceptable margin ( +/- 1% ) Thanks for that, I appreciate your help. I'll try up my voltages a bit and see how it goes. B-Die is very voltage sensitive, compared to my Ripjaws V E-Die, they are lot more forgiving. So should I just set my IOL offset straight to 23 every time, or try 22 first ? Quote
Guest george.kokovinis Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 First MANUALLY set 21-21 offset. If this stabilizes things move to 23-23. I like 23-23 because the RTL and IOL values are more correctly aligned and symmetrical on both channels. 49/49 and 5/4. The more symmetrical these values get, the easier for the memory controller. In simple words, it is as the controller is looking at one stick and not two. Way of putting it extremely simple. Lol Quote
Fact11 Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 First MANUALLY set 21-21 offset.If this stabilizes things move to 23-23. I like 23-23 because the RTL and IOL values are more correctly aligned and symmetrical on both channels. 49/49 and 5/4. The more symmetrical these values get, the easier for the memory controller. In simple words, it is as the controller is looking at one stick and not two. Way of putting it extremely simple. Lol That makes perfect sense. Thanks George, will let you know how I go. Quote
Tordp Posted April 6, 2016 Posted April 6, 2016 If I may chime in on VCCSA/VCCIO on Z170 SOC Force... I learned that you need a lot more than expected. I'm running Corsair Dominator 32GB 3000MHz 2x16GB and need at least 1.27v VCCSA and 1.23v VCCIO. This with standard 1.35v and no overclock. Quote
xxbassplayerxx Posted April 6, 2016 Author Posted April 6, 2016 @Fact11, I was completing 32M at 3866 12-12-12 1T. However, I was binning sticks so only running in single channel. I'm having difficulties posting with two sticks. It makes it to 62 and graphics come on, then it goes up to 69 for a brief second then restarts. It will eventually fail on 32, 55, 4A, or a number of other codes when it tries to train one more time. I didn't have much time to troubleshoot last night so I'll keep trying tonight and updating here. Quote
Fact11 Posted April 9, 2016 Posted April 9, 2016 Hey Bass, So far i've finally to managed to get two sticks in dual channel on my Z170X SOC Force, to pass training and boot into windows and its stable at 3866mhz 12-12-12-280 1T. Apart from setting the primary timings, tRFC and CR, I also have tFAW at 16. Everything else is still at AUTO. I have the Trident Z 3600mhz - 16-16-16-36 16GB Kit. It passed with the following voltages : Vccio - 1.30 Vccsa - 1.35 Dram and Dram Training - 1.85 Upto 3733 Mhz, I can have my Vccio at 1.185 and SA at 1.225 and its stable as, at 12-12-12-220 1T. Once I go to 3866mhz I need to up the voltages to the above. I still have to see how much lower I can go on my tRFC before it will no longer post. Then I'll try for 4000mhz as well and see how far I can get. I'm on the latest F6 bios, which came out at the end of March. I think its simply the bios still needing improvement, that is limiting how far we can lower our timings. Asrock Z170 OC Formula simply has a better bios. Plus I noticed in the memory compatibility chart for our board, hardly any of the Trident Z B Die modules are in there, whereas the Asrock memory chart, pretty much has all the Trident Z in there. Which is why I think we are having so much difficulty getting it to pass training. Let me know if that works on your board. Quote
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