Old School is Best School Season 3 Round 3 Discussion

[NoMS]

3DM01 would not be a better choice than 3DM03?

I'm asking this because 3DM03 does not run on older Matrox cards like G450 (DX6.0) and it would basically limit the competition to Parhelia/Millenium only.

Edited February 8, 2017 by NoMS

[websmile]

This might be a problem, we will discuss this

[pipes]

why don't work the competition link? redirected on an advise

[lanbonden]

Is it still going to be Matrox card of choise in round3?

 

Cant access the competition site and got an (to expensive) auction ending this evening.

[websmile]

I will leave this decision to Christian Ney. I cannot access the page myself btw and when I go from eocsprts site I get no content...Problem is known for a while but seems there is no solution so far

 

We will limit cards to DX8 capable or lower DX version, so we rule out all cards that are DX9 capable or higher, seems to be best solution to keep it cheap

Edited February 15, 2017 by websmile

[macsbeach98]

What limited to DX8 I have already got a M9140 for this and at the last second its not going to be allowed.

On this competition page it says in Bold any Matrox GPU.

OC eSports

 

I give up.

I might as well not compete at all.

Edited February 15, 2017 by macsbeach98

[websmile]

You can still discuss this with Christian Ney and Massman, I did propose dx9 and lower which wwould cover more cards. The main problem remains how we can keep cost low, for me this is a smaller problem because I do not have to buy 500 euro card^^

[macsbeach98]

Ok thanks Michael.

I sent Christian a message proposing that the C series be banned they are the expensive ones that no one will buy and have a Radeon GPU and GDDR5 memory.

I payed $80AU for my M9140 which isnt too much.

Edited February 16, 2017 by macsbeach98

[ozzie]

this is like you cant use any other card than a geforce 7 series in the last round for RB, when it clearly does not say you cant use any other card, and using the "can be coupled with a geforce 7 series card" as the answer for an excuse for it is a poor excuse, it does not say in the limitation that no other card can not be used, for icestorm it clearly stated a geforce 7 series card to be used, therefore a submission for the RBENCH with another card of any kind is legitimite and a legal submission and SHOULD be allowed

 

this changing cards for the matrox is the same princple same as some intel cpu costs, if you cant buy the hardware then dont go on a whinge complaining about it and dont go in the competitions..its that simple ....the section stated any matrox card for this section, what about the people that have already spent the money and bought the card , already spent hours testing, modding, whatever with it...what do they do with it now ???, sell it ??? where, the stall down the street ? or smash it with a bloody hammer

Edited February 16, 2017 by ozzie

[TAGG]

Good that I waited... I thought about buying a parhelia 128MB, but also manged to talk a friend into letting me have one of the C680s they use for a week Now I can tell him, that i don't need the card anymore

[Christian Ney]

I am pretty sure it was meant for "Old School" Matrox. I did not even know Matrox was still "making" 3D Graphics Cards, I thought they were only releasing 2D capable graphics cards.

 

It's incredible how little information there is about their graphics cards. Even on their own website they dont say anything about 3D. Except for the C-series they advertise DirectX 12.

 

DX9 and lower will that do?

 

EDIT: Looks like if we limit to DX9, the most recent cards will be the M series from 2008/2009. Lets do that.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Christian Ney

[TASOS]

Please dont forget , to change the wallpaper.

 

Those R1 and R2 markings were not followed as a rule in the earlier round.

I believe we need some actual more obvious change for the wallpaper.

 

Let's eliminate every chance of someone benching earlier than others.

 

[macsbeach98]

Thankyou Christian for the card Clarification.

 

I couldn't agree more about the wallpaper there were a few benchers that were using the Round 1 Wallpaper in Round 2 but to be fair to them the R2 was pretty obscure on it and they probably wouldnt of known there was a difference to the round 2 Wallpaper.

I ony noticed it because I put my GPUz CPUz Icons at the bottom left of the screen.

So if the R3 was a bit more larger and clear then no one could plead ignorance.

[lanbonden]

Thankyou Christian for the card Clarification.

 

I couldn't agree more about the wallpaper there were a few benchers that were using the Round 1 Wallpaper in Round 2 but to be fair to them the R2 was pretty obscure on it and they probably wouldnt of known there was a difference to the round 2 Wallpaper.

I ony noticed it because I put my GPUz CPUz Icons at the bottom left of the screen.

So if the R3 was a bit more larger and clear then no one could plead ignorance.

 

Reading that part about the R2 wallpaper, I finaly found the R2 marker, damn its well hidden and I must have blocked it in every screenshoot I used in round2..

Atleast I know where it is for round 3 now..

[TASOS]

The R3 marking is nice hidden also.

 

I wouldnt had an argue about the wallpaper as long as everyone could leave clear and visible the screen area with the marking.

 

It can be done.

[websmile]

I feel like Mr. Magoo when I search for "Rx" marking each round - will ask Pieter for a microscope for submission check, and a 4k monitor

[TASOS]

A couple more little matters.

 

1)Descriptions on each stage needs editing.

In some say 3DMark 2001 and in others say 3DMark 2003

... and there is no Stage 4 for PCMark 04 , it's stage 3.

 

And a crucial matter cause i dont like "playing" with words.

Make crystal clear , that it's 478 cpu on 478 boards.

 

I dont like to play the adapters game.

[Stelaras]

I don't have an issue with the adapters . It would be interesting to see which benchmarks can be helped .

[websmile]

The round is limited to 478 cpus, when it was designed adapters were not ruled out. We had this before and it worked fine, what´s the difference now?

[macsbeach98]

I am for the adaptors

[pipes]

this vga:Matrox C900 is allowed?

[websmile]

No, only Dx9 cards, it is written here in the thread and also in the rules.

[Stelaras]

Regarding this : Stage-1: Wprime 1024M (divided by core count)

 

S478 P4s have one core , but many of them have also HT . Please clarify if the score is divided by cores or by threads .

[TAGG]

Normaly by core count means that the system divides the score by the number of cores specified in the database, just my interpretation, an official statement would be appreciated

[websmile]

We handle this same way we handled it for lots of years now, physical cores count, HT is no physical core. If we wanted to divide by threads, we would have written it this way. After years and years we still need clarification? I am a bit surprised - I hope this is clear now, it is for sure better to ask then have problems if something is not clear for someone

Edited February 16, 2017 by websmile