NoMS Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 3DM01 would not be a better choice than 3DM03? I'm asking this because 3DM03 does not run on older Matrox cards like G450 (DX6.0) and it would basically limit the competition to Parhelia/Millenium only. Edited February 8, 2017 by NoMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted February 8, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 8, 2017 This might be a problem, we will discuss this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipes Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 why don't work the competition link? redirected on an advise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanbonden Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Is it still going to be Matrox card of choise in round3? Â Cant access the competition site and got an (to expensive) auction ending this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted February 15, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) I will leave this decision to Christian Ney. I cannot access the page myself btw and when I go from eocsprts site I get no content...Problem is known for a while but seems there is no solution so far  We will limit cards to DX8 capable or lower DX version, so we rule out all cards that are DX9 capable or higher, seems to be best solution to keep it cheap Edited February 15, 2017 by websmile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsbeach98 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) What limited to DX8 I have already got a M9140 for this and at the last second its not going to be allowed. On this competition page it says in Bold any Matrox GPU. OC eSports  I give up. I might as well not compete at all. Edited February 15, 2017 by macsbeach98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted February 15, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 15, 2017 You can still discuss this with Christian Ney and Massman, I did propose dx9 and lower which wwould cover more cards. The main problem remains how we can keep cost low, for me this is a smaller problem because I do not have to buy 500 euro card^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsbeach98 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Ok thanks Michael. I sent Christian a message proposing that the C series be banned they are the expensive ones that no one will buy and have a Radeon GPU and GDDR5 memory. I payed $80AU for my M9140 which isnt too much. Edited February 16, 2017 by macsbeach98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) this is like you cant use any other card than a geforce 7 series in the last round for RB, when it clearly does not say you cant use any other card, and using the "can be coupled with a geforce 7 series card" as the answer for an excuse for it is a poor excuse, it does not say in the limitation that no other card can not be used, for icestorm it clearly stated a geforce 7 series card to be used, therefore a submission for the RBENCH with another card of any kind is legitimite and a legal submission and SHOULD be allowed  this changing cards for the matrox is the same princple same as some intel cpu costs, if you cant buy the hardware then dont go on a whinge complaining about it and dont go in the competitions..its that simple ....the section stated any matrox card for this section, what about the people that have already spent the money and bought the card , already spent hours testing, modding, whatever with it...what do they do with it now ???, sell it ??? where, the stall down the street ? or smash it with a bloody hammer Edited February 16, 2017 by ozzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAGG Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Good that I waited... I thought about buying a parhelia 128MB, but also manged to talk a friend into letting me have one of the C680s they use for a week Now I can tell him, that i don't need the card anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) I am pretty sure it was meant for "Old School" Matrox. I did not even know Matrox was still "making" 3D Graphics Cards, I thought they were only releasing 2D capable graphics cards. Â It's incredible how little information there is about their graphics cards. Even on their own website they dont say anything about 3D. Except for the C-series they advertise DirectX 12. Â DX9 and lower will that do? Â EDIT: Looks like if we limit to DX9, the most recent cards will be the M series from 2008/2009. Lets do that. Edited February 16, 2017 by Christian Ney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Please dont forget , to change the wallpaper. Â Those R1 and R2 markings were not followed as a rule in the earlier round. I believe we need some actual more obvious change for the wallpaper. Â Let's eliminate every chance of someone benching earlier than others. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsbeach98 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Thankyou Christian for the card Clarification. Â I couldn't agree more about the wallpaper there were a few benchers that were using the Round 1 Wallpaper in Round 2 but to be fair to them the R2 was pretty obscure on it and they probably wouldnt of known there was a difference to the round 2 Wallpaper. I ony noticed it because I put my GPUz CPUz Icons at the bottom left of the screen. So if the R3 was a bit more larger and clear then no one could plead ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanbonden Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Thankyou Christian for the card Clarification. I couldn't agree more about the wallpaper there were a few benchers that were using the Round 1 Wallpaper in Round 2 but to be fair to them the R2 was pretty obscure on it and they probably wouldnt of known there was a difference to the round 2 Wallpaper. I ony noticed it because I put my GPUz CPUz Icons at the bottom left of the screen. So if the R3 was a bit more larger and clear then no one could plead ignorance.  Reading that part about the R2 wallpaper, I finaly found the R2 marker, damn its well hidden and I must have blocked it in every screenshoot I used in round2.. Atleast I know where it is for round 3 now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 The R3 marking is nice hidden also. Â I wouldnt had an argue about the wallpaper as long as everyone could leave clear and visible the screen area with the marking. Â It can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted February 16, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 16, 2017 I feel like Mr. Magoo when I search for "Rx" marking each round - will ask Pieter for a microscope for submission check, and a 4k monitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 A couple more little matters. Â 1)Descriptions on each stage needs editing. In some say 3DMark 2001 and in others say 3DMark 2003 ... and there is no Stage 4 for PCMark 04 , it's stage 3. Â And a crucial matter cause i dont like "playing" with words. Make crystal clear , that it's 478 cpu on 478 boards. Â I dont like to play the adapters game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I don't have an issue with the adapters . It would be interesting to see which benchmarks can be helped . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted February 16, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 16, 2017 The round is limited to 478 cpus, when it was designed adapters were not ruled out. We had this before and it worked fine, what´s the difference now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsbeach98 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I am for the adaptors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipes Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 this vga:Matrox C900 is allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted February 16, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 16, 2017 No, only Dx9 cards, it is written here in the thread and also in the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Regarding this : Stage-1: Wprime 1024M (divided by core count) Â S478 P4s have one core , but many of them have also HT . Please clarify if the score is divided by cores or by threads . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAGG Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Normaly by core count means that the system divides the score by the number of cores specified in the database, just my interpretation, an official statement would be appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted February 16, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) We handle this same way we handled it for lots of years now, physical cores count, HT is no physical core. If we wanted to divide by threads, we would have written it this way. After years and years we still need clarification? I am a bit surprised - I hope this is clear now, it is for sure better to ask then have problems if something is not clear for someone Edited February 16, 2017 by websmile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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