dinos22 Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 the problem is its still showing a PSC ram kit beating the best ram kit there is and everyone knows thats not the case all i know is if i had a choice in a competition which ram kit to use where we;ve traditionally had superpi id be sticking to GTX2 all day long and im sure everyone else would with half a brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted March 25, 2011 Author Share Posted March 25, 2011 with limited production and zero sandy bridge hypers sold, and increasing number of sandybridge psc rams being bought/sold. results are eventual.... supply and demand.... Supply and demand play no role in that last chart. I'm taking the overclocking results from all the SuperPI-32M results (so not just sandy bridge) to determine the real-life overclocking capabilities of each memory kit. Then I apply the platform scaling variables as determined by a Sandy Bridge in SuperPI-32M, meaning the actual scaling of memory tuning in SPI-32M on Sandy Bridge. The problems with Hyper on Sandy Bridge platform has no effect on that last chart. I've also filtered out all the bogus results. Seems like people can't handle the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenchZowner Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Somebody with a SB & a hyper kit should do some "3rd subtimings" SPD edit, that should help if not make the hypers work like a charm on SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teurorist Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) could someone upload the spd from the Flare ? I got 2 kits with RipjawsX so i can compare with same timings Edited March 25, 2011 by teurorist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 How about the following competition: Stage 1: Superpi 32m w/Elpida Hyper Stage 2: Superpi 32m w/PSC CPU frequency limits should be discussed, so they dont fit perfectly to one type, and not the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat_ownage Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 How about the following competition: Stage 1: Superpi 32m w/Elpida Hyper Stage 2: Superpi 32m w/PSC CPU frequency limits should be discussed, so they dont fit perfectly to one type, and not the other. THIS ^ ive seen a lot of submissions on hwbot with gtx2 that were something stupid like 800mhz 8-8-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokiealumnus Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 could someone upload the spd from the Flare ? I got 2 kits with RipjawsX so i can compare with same timings Here you go: [ATTACH]925[/ATTACH] They're rated (and run) better than their SPD, at DDR3-2000 / 7-9-7-24. Had them as far as DDR3-2111 without even trying - no voltage increase and on AM3. Methinks they have plenty more, I just haven't had time to play with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Gappo Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I know the tire is inaccurate and it needs to be 5 times larger but this will have to do. @hokie, pretty sure he meant the spd files not a screen shot. Could get that off of newegg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XtremeCuztoms Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Nice feedback procedure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokiealumnus Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 @hokie, pretty sure he meant the spd files not a screen shot. Could get that off of newegg. SPDTool doesn't work on this system. Took a shot in the dark with EVGA's tool and came up empty. Thus, stupid question time: Anybody know where I'd get an SPD dump program that works on a Crosshair IV Formula? To try and be a little more useful, attached is what the CPUz dump says about the SPD, which offers a bit more detail than in my other post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat_ownage Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 SPDTool doesn't work on this system. Took a shot in the dark with EVGA's tool and came up empty. Thus, stupid question time: Anybody know where I'd get an SPD dump program that works on a Crosshair IV Formula? To try and be a little more useful, attached is what the CPUz dump says about the SPD, which offers a bit more detail than in my other post. spdtool.exe only works on 32bit broskis still got that spare drive with xp on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinos22 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 lol the feedback procedure working like a charm hahhaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokiealumnus Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 spdtool.exe only works on 32bit broskisstill got that spare drive with xp on it? Lots of spare drives, none with a functioning copy of XP unfortunately. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Gappo Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 lol the feedback procedure working like a charm hahhaha He brought it on himself Go ahead and post x58 and AM3 "estimations" with the new revised formula massman Tried typhoon burner hokie? Can't remember if you have to pay for the full version to dump the spd or not. Not that I care because all psc = crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokiealumnus Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Thaiphoon burner doesn't seem to like Win 7 unless you buy the pro version. It says it will work for reading in XP; but we're back to the fact that my XP install is nonexistent for this system. Sorry...again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted March 26, 2011 Author Share Posted March 26, 2011 THIS ^ ive seen a lot of submissions on hwbot with gtx2 that were something stupid like 800mhz 8-8-8 Actually, the standard deviation of the Dominator GTX2 is lower than the standard deviation of the Flare. Meaning, what you just sait about GTX2 happens 1,xx times more with Flare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted March 26, 2011 Crew Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) I've seen a lot of submissions on hwbot with gtx2 that were something stupid like 800mhz 8-8-8 Those people should be put away As far as DDR3-2111[/url] without even trying - no voltage increase and on AM3. Methinks they have plenty more, I just haven't had time to play with them. My kit does 2200 CL7-9-7-25 1T at 1.65Vdimm on AM3. On AMD the hypers spank the PSC's hard once you cranck up the speeds. Sadly never got my GTX2 kit stable at acceptable volts (Yes Brian not even at 1.75Vdimm ) to test 2000Mhz clocks... On P67 2133 CL6-9-6 will be pretty close match compared to 7-7-7 Hyper performance... as P67 prefers speed over timings... And not all GTX2 kits are screamers so what you see at your place ( like M Beiers 3.6Vdimm specced kit ) That doesn't happen at all with my rams... Edited March 26, 2011 by Leeghoofd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmor Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Proof of concept Those last seconds are due to my lack of tweaking skills: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted March 26, 2011 Author Share Posted March 26, 2011 Your font size is HUUGE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.nfraR.ed Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I think I have ruined GTX2 results, it's my submissions that are dragging it behind PSC Need to get Flare kit to give GTX2 the lead back . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinos22 Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I think I have ruined GTX2 results, it's my submissions that are dragging it behind PSC Need to get Flare kit to give GTX2 the lead back . hahahaha that's the spirit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted March 27, 2011 Crew Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) I've submitted more than sufficient results with average timings with the Flares and even then they come out on top... Time to face the music !! you got stiff competition by a 4GB kit, that costs far less then one individual GTX2 dimm... Edited March 27, 2011 by Leeghoofd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted March 27, 2011 Author Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) Okay, for the non-believers, here's a chart where I limited the results to >850MHz (so no more 800 CL8-8) SuperPI-32M results. Edited March 27, 2011 by Massman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chew* Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) I'm sure if I went back and labeled all my results other than corsair or gskill it would sway your charts I have never bothered using model in submissions. In all my testing PSC is always 2 secs behind...... That however doesn't change the fact that if the system in question was a daily rig I would without a doubt choose the flare. Effeciency can be measured in dollars to For instance my single 2500K purchase and a 5500 chip = effeciency. Mine and msimax's pooling money together for 18+ chips for a 5600 and 5700 2600K chip = sucks monkeyballs. Same can be said about $159 total set of ram versus a $400 set if we are talking 2x4gig. Edit, BTW where did all the flares go ? Edited March 27, 2011 by chew* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 where: HWBmqi = HWBOT memory quality indication a, b, c = platform specific scaling parameters Fr, CLr, TRCDr = reference values for memory frequency, cas latency and rcd timing Fo, CLo, TRCDo = operating values you set for the memory For Sandy Bridge SuperPI-32M, the scaling parameters are: a = 3,28 b = 2,09 c = 1 For Sandy Bridge, that means there are settings give approx this performance: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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