dinos22 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Just returned from the 'ban user'-page. i think you missed this douche bag http://hwbot.org/submission/2319361 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanqu0208 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 349 point CL4 BUG.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) i think you missed this douche bag http://hwbot.org/submission/2319361 What about all the ASRock comp scores with same rig pic (even same folded paper in GPU pot)? Hardware sharing even outside of legit scores...doesn't matter if those guys have points enabled or not, they still generate team points according to team page. Edited October 10, 2012 by BeepBeep2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinos22 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 well there are lots of other scores which seem OK, im really just only posting about a specific dodgy, i dont care what comp its a part of or whatnot. dodgy scores dont belong on the bot nor its owners imo 349 point CL4 BUG.... 800 points CL9 bug? lol http://hwbot.org/submission/2319361 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanqu0208 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 well there are lots of other scores which seem OK, im really just only posting about a specific dodgy, i dont care what comp its a part of or whatnot. dodgy scores dont belong on the bot nor its owners imo 800 points CL9 bug? lol http://hwbot.org/submission/2319361 run order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 run order SUM(subtest) != SCORE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) well there are lots of other scores which seem OK, im really just only posting about a specific dodgy, i dont care what comp its a part of or whatnot. dodgy scores dont belong on the bot nor its owners imo 800 points CL9 bug? lol http://hwbot.org/submission/2319361 Okay...but http://hwbot.org/competition/asrock_z77_oc_formula_challenge/stage/716_3dmark01/ "duanln", "yang" and "ParanoiAMD" have the same setup, even same fans and fan placement...same CPU pot wrap, same zip ties on GPU...obviously the same system generating different HTPP/GTPP Aaaaand all this shadyness is obviously not happening in China, but looks like HKEPC Lab. X800 or whoever looks like the only one with his own system, no zip-tied fan to GPU, different fans, GPU pots unwrapped and running (for what reason would he do this though? so everything can get wet?) but same type CPU pot/green wrap. Then the other guy posts only a close-up of a board that has been torn down. What gives? EDIT: http://hwbot.org/competition/asrock_z77_oc_formula_challenge/stage/715_pifast/ Same, the 3 share, 1 guy with close up after teardown, then policha has GPU under LN2 full pot for pifast. Edited October 10, 2012 by BeepBeep2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanqu0208 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2319461_ http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2315917_ same？ You know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) How would I know? There is no way to tell. If guys want to share hardware, there is no way for HWBOT to tell if they do it like that. (I am NOT accusing X800/Orange of sharing...and they probably are NOT, there is no proof) But guys like the three I listed above (duanln, yang, ParanoiAMD) all just post the same rig pics of the same parts and then think they can get away with just running slightly different clocks? How stupid do they think people are? HWBOT needs to start requiring people fill in all information for submissions too, and require rig pics. People get lazy sometimes with pics, I do it too, but I bench inside my house, by myself. When you do a group session and bench multiple benchmarks, you only need to fill in the first one and adjust CPU/DRAM/GPU clocks accordingly...it isn't even that hard to share and get away with it Edited October 10, 2012 by BeepBeep2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanqu0208 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 "duanln", "yang" and "ParanoiAMD" at Beijing EP= ST=speedtime team edison at Guangzhou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanqu0208 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Don't you think asrock marketing would be let players on many results make the game looks very nice？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Don't you think asrock marketing would be let players on many results make the game looks very nice？ They either should have: A. Given out more boards, and more CPUs, and maybe a few more GPUs B. Hosted the competition somewhere else. When you have three guys standing over one machine going: "So, I'll win PiFast, you win 01, and he wins wPrime, and I'll make sure to Photoshop my score better than it should be" there is a problem. Edited October 10, 2012 by BeepBeep2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanqu0208 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 They either should have:A. Given out more boards, and more CPUs, and maybe a few more GPUs B. Hosted the competition somewhere else. When you have three guys standing over one machine going: "So, I'll win PiFast, you win 01, and he wins wPrime" there is a problem. One Team One Score, May be Fair ：） Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes, a team competition would have been fair. Like the team cup. "Team XXX" "Team YYY" But that isn't how the competition was organized It looks to me like ASRock did (fix) this purposely, and those overclockers, were sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanqu0208 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 They either should have:A. Given out more boards, and more CPUs, and maybe a few more GPUs B. Hosted the competition somewhere else. When you have three guys standing over one machine going: "So, I'll win PiFast, you win 01, and he wins wPrime, and I'll make sure to Photoshop my score better than it should be" there is a problem. duanlun score 1000% Real ，I told him 01se run order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanqu0208 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 In my opinion this activity is a joke ，Because only China ！hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 duanlun score 1000% Real ，I told him 01se run order No, 01se run order, it still computes the final score correctly. Go check 10 other 01 scores, then look at his. The overall score does not match the individual scores weighted and calculated properly. As far as the hardware sharing, it is illegal anyway, so all the scores of those 3 guys are against HWBOT rules. This should have been taken to PM a long time ago, I'm not gonna comment on it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinos22 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) ivan and beep beep this has nothing to do with run order or platform it was benched on or LOD or clocks or anything. This is a straight out cheat and best and easiest way to work it out is to just download the 3dmark calculator if you cant be bothered to work it out by hand but basically whatever score you get in all the Low tests you just times it by 10 and whatever you get in High tests and nature you times that by 20 and you will get the correct score. These asswipes didnt run 01 properly and got a score that has a mismatched subtest scores and final scores basically. You cannot have a mismatched subtest and final score unless you do something dodgy to fool the benchmark or photochop it or who knows but it certainly isnt allowed and hence why they are now banned. that is a dead giveaway of someone cheating and being very clumbsy, much the same that OPB was caught cheating in AM3 by photochopping a final score screen onto some different run and subFPS gave it away. both jackasses with no respect for community and dont belong here. Edited October 10, 2012 by dinos22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 ivan and beep beep this has nothing to do with run order or platform it was benched on or LOD or clocks or anything. This is a straight out cheat and best and easiest way to work it out is to just download the 3dmark calculator if you cant be bothered to work it out by hand but basically whatever score you get in all the Low tests you just times it by 10 and whatever you get in High tests and nature you times that by 20 and you will get the correct score. These asswipes didnt run 01 properly and got a score that has a mismatched subtest scores and final scores basically. You cannot have a mismatched subtest and final score unless you do something dodgy to fool the benchmark or photochop it or who knows but it certainly isnt allowed and hence why they are now banned. that is a dead giveaway of someone cheating and being very clumbsy, much the same that OPB was caught cheating in AM3 by photochopping a final score screen onto some different run and subFPS gave it away. both jackasses with no respect for community and dont below here. Of course. http://www.elmor.se/3dmark I did that, Edison's scores are fked up somehow, either way it is wrong and he is banned. I brought up that 3 of the guys that were also in the ASRock competiton (the Edison guy ran 01 for the comp), the other 3 guys all had rig pics of the same rig at different angles but legit scores. So they all cheated too, you can't share hardware here, regardless of if they are legit produced scores or not. Hence "3 guys at 1 rig going ok, you win 01, I win wPrime and you win PiFast" is wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinos22 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) beepbeep ok i didnt realise they all used the same rig also, obviously that wont work either http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2319461_ http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2315917_ same？ You know no major difference, do you actually understand what the problem is man? Edited October 10, 2012 by dinos22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) dinos we were discussing the issue of sharing, I don't think illegitimacy of those scores. Edison.Chan's result here was a part of several results in the ASRock Z77 challenge that look shady. His was the only one that didn't add up though, however others were sharing parts and nothing happened: http://hwbot.org/user/extreme_player_duanln/ (Now banned) http://hwbot.org/user/extreme_player_paranoiamd/ http://hwbot.org/user/extreme_player_yang/ They all entered the contest with the same hardware and slightly different clocks, even bothered to upload pics of the same system but slightly different angles. Look at pics: http://hwbot.org/submission/2319361_ http://hwbot.org/submission/2314960 http://hwbot.org/submission/2314962 Note that second/third ones I list were uploaded back to back duanln yang paranoiAMD Edited October 10, 2012 by BeepBeep2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanqu0208 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 wait DV video，haha，so everyone relax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0ud_sil3nc3 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Ban hammer delivered:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew pro Posted October 10, 2012 Crew Share Posted October 10, 2012 you cant video back from that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBeep2 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 you cant video back from that lol I can see it now, three videos, 5 secs long each, showing all 3 angles. "There's the proof, no sharing. See?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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