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If your chip is good, 4GHz should be ok with less than 1.26vCore CPU PLL can be higher without ANY negative effect... if it's as low as 1.4v, it might force you to use higher vCore.... I would choose lower vCore, higher CPU PLL if I could

+1... does this BIOS also deal with coldslow? Thanks to Petri for posting this.... also thanks to Asus? I'm really tempted to buy one......

Yes, it's a drug. we all love the thrill of seeing THAT score come up on screen after so many runs to get us there, a little bit more each time, then the rush to get CPU-Z and GPU-Z open and everything lined up for a screenshot before it crashes... ...and if someone has no idea what i'm talking about, they've never pushed it

If I could give you a man-hug for that post bro, I would I know how you feel.... sometimes I choose not to push 110% in case I do kill something expensive.

Time stands still for no man, but Marc Beier is more than a man

It would be criminal if nVidia didn't send you one.

Thankyou Thats 0.001% of my training done to convince Massman of things he is against to start with I think this is the only set of GPU categories where this happens, for "recent" nVidia anyway...

It shouldn't be the same, but between nVidia and vendors, it often IS the same. The reality of the "production" doesn't match what nVidia intended (assuming nVidia were entirely honest) I have 9800GT with a unique device ID and it's still 65nm. There's both die processes available. User can only tell from the die markings and GPU-Z. A user can go into a shop and buy a GTX+ and (using your idea) then be told they have to submit it as a GTX because it's 65nm. In theory, the implications of that mean the vendor is selling through false advertising. Maybe they are (lol) but it's far easier and less... .hmmmm.... "controversial?" to throw the categories together. Minimal maintenance. For most of these cards, don't even need to flash the BIOS, just use the lack of clarity in the device ID and GPU model. I did flash my GTX with the suposed Cold BIOS. Some GTX+ can have the same done (same PCB)

Thats a more complicated rule to enforce bro Also.... would existing results be untouched?

9800GTX+ is no guarantee of shrink bro. A lot are just rebadged. New HSF stickers. I have had 65nm 9800GTX, GTX+, 9800GT and GTS250.... according to GPU-Z anyway.

Was there a GTS450 based competition?

No they won't. The "jerks" have their advantage removed and most people get more points... how many people compete in both GTX and GTX+ categories? Some people will lose a few cups Thanks Massman

Nothing to do with me bro, i'm not HWB staff

It's fairly close My GTX scales with cold... my GTX+ had better RAM but didn't give me any extra MHz under dice :D

I can see that happening to two people, but the chances of it ending up in 3+ peoples hands is really unlikely, unless it's a controlled auction and people know exactly what they're buying and who from

My thinking behind this is that there's a PCB crossover, a device ID crossover, the + is a re-named GTX and results between the cards cant be differentiated.... Im entirely convinced theres GTX+ scores in the GTX category (especially Vantage) that can never be moderated beyond reasonable doubt. Any thoughts?

I heard those are pics of Hollywood & Gom?

Massman and Thomas? Less obvious. Different colour scheme, different window layout, different RAM. You don't think you're looking at the same picture twice.

To be totally honest, if I saw those results, i'd also wonder about hardware sharing. I've suspected it for less-similar screenshots...

HWBot: More important to overclocking than extra CPU PWM phases HWBot: The reason we want wider PCI-E spacing on motherboards HWBot: if it's good enough for Marc Beier, it's almost too good for YOU

Makes no difference in 3DMark06

Did the tally drop under 1000? I'm sure i've checked his profile since then...... *is unsure* I can't be *that* far behind in the news, can I??

I never noticed this earlier.... Congrats on over 1000 GOLD cups... thats...... I don't even know the words. SO dedicated. Is that ~ 1000 GOLD cups for AMD chips alone? Seriously????? AMD should sponsor you bro, you've earned it

Happy birthday guys!

I had a similar issue on XP with the GTX580... I had to use W7 to get a decent score