TAGG Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 I'd have a question about r5/s3: are pcie cards allowed? Not that it should make a huge difference, since the CPU should be the bottleneck in 2003 but still interresting to know Quote
Mr.Scott Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 I'd have a question about r5/s3: are pcie cards allowed? Not that it should make a huge difference, since the CPU should be the bottleneck in 2003 but still interresting to know I read it as they were allowed. Quote
Administrators websmile Posted November 3, 2017 Author Administrators Posted November 3, 2017 As I mentioned in my PM, this is a very good concept. But if you want to avoid someone using a not too old school 980ti or similar card, you should limit the round 5 stage 3 to agp or make an upper card limit if pci-x is allowed Quote
TAGG Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 As I mentioned in my PM, this is a very good concept. But if you want to avoid someone using a not too old school 980ti or similar card, you should limit the round 5 stage 3 to agp or make an upper card limit if pci-x is allowed I think the idea behind not limitting might be to ensure, that 2003 is a pure CPU bench? I dont think it'd be too bad using a 980ti, since the relevant factor will most likely still be CPU/RAM, which is still old hardware On that note: are dual socket 370 boards allowed for r2/s3 ? There are plenty availible with none- Intel chipsets... Quote
GRIFF Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) 3dm03 is the vga dependent bench. If you not limited vga i'm like to see the AM3 or 3dm01 for these round. Edited November 3, 2017 by GRIFF Quote
Administrators websmile Posted November 3, 2017 Author Administrators Posted November 3, 2017 Who told you that 3DMark 2003 is a cpu benchmark?^^ It is the legacy 3D Benchmark that scales most on GPU power. If you run a 6800GT vs a 9800GT alone you will gain more than 100% on result most likely. Limiting GPU model for this is really needed Quote
GRIFF Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) I'm like to see some my ideas))))) ROUND 1 - Socket 7 (1997) Mixed with Intel & AMD cpu's (All cpu's must be 0.35 micron fabrication). Desktop cpu's only. Intel P5 architecture (Pentium MMX series) AMD K6 architecture (Desktop K6 series) Stage-1 CPU-Z Validation - Max CPU speed Stage-2 SuperPI 1M Stage-3 CPU-Z Validation - Percentage OC % # For this round i'm like to see cinebench 2003 with dual socket motherboards. // ROUND 2 - Socket 370 (1998) (Mendocino cores only) (Non Intel chipset motherboards) Stage-1 CPU-Z Validation - Max CPU speed Stage-2 SuperPI 1M Stage-3 Wprime 32M # OK for me)) // ROUND 3 - Slot A (1999) (Argon & Pluto core only) Stage-1 CPU-Z Reference Clock Stage-2 SuperPI 1M Stage-3 3DMark 2001 - GeForce 256 # Nice round. // ROUND 4 - Socket 423 (2000) (No adapters allowed) Stage-1 SuperPI 1M Stage-2 Wprime 32M Stage-3 Aida64 Memory Read Stage-4 3DMark 2001 - GeForce3 series # ok // ROUND 5 - Socket 754 (2003) (No adapters allowed) Stage-1 SuperPI 1M Stage-2 HWBOT X265 1080P Stage-3 3DMark2003 - Nvidia series (single vga only) Stage-4 FM Cloudgate - ATI AGP series # S3 Need limiting vga S4 Need limiting vga Edited November 3, 2017 by GRIFF Quote
TASOS Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 As I mentioned in my PM, this is a very good concept. But if you want to avoid someone using a not too old school 980ti or similar card, you should limit the round 5 stage 3 to agp or make an upper card limit if pci-x is allowed My bad , here. I had a limitation for this stage , that was lost in transfer from my notes. It's up to Nvidia 7xxx series Both AGP and PCI-E allowed. Quote
TASOS Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Just one question - would we be allowed to use slockets to run Socket 370 chips on Slot 1 non-Intel boards? I hope so. My initial thought was to make an effort for pure stages. No adapters in any stage (if possible). So my proposal is for socket 370 boards and cpu's only. No Slot-1 , please. :celebration: Quote
TASOS Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 ... On that note: are dual socket 370 boards allowed for r2/s3 ? There are plenty availible with none- Intel chipsets... As long as the general rule , about server products in competitions applies. I want to follow hwbot guidance on this No server hardware at all, we always clearly says desktop hardware only unless stated otherwise. ... Quote
TAGG Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 I actually enjoyed the dual Socket A cb2003 Last year, anderen since wprime is multithreading dualsocket would be Fun Quote
lanbonden Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Think it looks pretty good but one thing Id love to see changed would be to change socket 423 to 478 Willamette as we have used 423 a few times last years but never seen 478 Willamette in a competition Quote
TAGG Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Think it looks pretty good but one thing Id love to see changed would be to change socket 423 to 478 Willamette as we have used 423 a few times last years but never seen 478 Willamette in a competition I second this, especcially since 478 boards and CPUs are easily obtainable, while the 423 counterparts are not Quote
Administrators websmile Posted November 3, 2017 Author Administrators Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) OK, I am very happy for the work all invested and especially thank Tasos for getting all together and making a concept that works out of it. I will not make any changes at this concept anymore apart from one, I will level chances between agp and pcix at stage 3 of round five by limiting card to NV 6xx0 series. The ATI stage is limited anyway to fastest agp ATI card available. same chances for all on this. On the Willamette 478, depending on how the contest works we might use this for a bonus round. Thanks again. P.S. To explain this, fastest NV 7000 agp card is 7800GS- it is a lot slower than 7900GTX which makes the agp worthless. On 6000 series, agp and pcix cards are at same level. On ATI, we are limited to agp anyway, this means find fastest agp card and go, no messing around Edited November 3, 2017 by websmile Quote
TASOS Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Think it looks pretty good but one thing Id love to see changed would be to change socket 423 to 478 Willamette as we have used 423 a few times last years but never seen 478 Willamette in a competition We had socket 478 last year , that's why i chose socket 423 for this competition (socket 423 has the same Willamette core cpu's ... to be exact , it has only Willamette cores). Quote
max1024 Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 and so on... So my proposal is for socket 370 boards and cpu's only. No Slot-1 , please and so on... Quote
TASOS Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 Hi everybody Hwbot forum is back ... and so are we Final plan , after last minute changes for this season OSiBS competition. // ROUND 1 - Socket 7 (1997) Mixed with Intel & AMD cpu's (All cpu's must be 0.35 micron fabrication). Desktop cpu's only. Intel P5 architecture (Pentium MMX series) AMD K6 architecture (Desktop K6 series) Stage-1 CPU-Z Validation - Max CPU speed Stage-2 SuperPI 1M Stage-3 CPU-Z Validation - Percentage OC % // ROUND 2 - Socket 370 (1998) (Mendocino cores only) (Non Intel chipset motherboards) (No server hardware allowed-only desktop products) Stage-1 CPU-Z Validation - Max CPU speed Stage-2 SuperPI 1M Stage-3 Wprime 32M // ROUND 3 - Slot A (1999) (Argon & Pluto core only) Stage-1 CPU-Z Reference Clock Stage-2 SuperPI 1M Stage-3 3DMark 2001 - GeForce 256 // ROUND 4 - Socket 423 (2000) (No adapters allowed) Stage-1 SuperPI 1M Stage-2 Wprime 32M Stage-3 Aida64 Memory Read Stage-4 3DMark 2001 - GeForce3 series // ROUND 5 - Socket 754 (2003) (No adapters allowed) Stage-1 SuperPI 1M Stage-2 HWBOT X265 1080P Stage-3 3DMark2003 - Nvidia series (Up to 6xxx series - single vga - single gpu only) Stage-4 FM Cloudgate - ATI AGP series // Quote
Administrators websmile Posted November 8, 2017 Author Administrators Posted November 8, 2017 The concept is good, we will most likely start new year when all works like expected around 1st if 15th of january. Thanks for the awesome work especially to Tasos and all who made proposals that helped develop this Quote
lanbonden Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 ROUND 5 - Socket 754 (2003) (No adapters allowed) That part made me really really interested in what kind of adapter Ive missed out on so far? Quote
Mr.Scott Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 ROUND 5 - Socket 754 (2003)(No adapters allowed) That part made me really really interested in what kind of adapter Ive missed out on so far? I think it pertains to the "Upgrade" boards that Asrock had out. Socket A to 754 I think they were. Wish I had thought to get one. 754 in a modded NF7 might have been neat. Quote
GRIFF Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 Hi guys. For slot A stage allowed adapters? Quote
TASOS Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 ROUND 5 - Socket 754 (2003)(No adapters allowed) That part made me really really interested in what kind of adapter Ive missed out on so far? Mainly , to avoid Asrock "alchemies" ASRock > K8Upgrade-NF3 ASRock > K8Upgrade-VM800 ASRock > K8Upgrade-1689 with this special card ASRock > Products > am2cpu board and also this one ASRock > K8 Combo-Z Quote
TASOS Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 Hi guys.For slot A stage allowed adapters? The general idea , is to have pure stages. We dont want ... and we dont need any kind of adapters All we want is free time and a good mood ... to have fun !!! No need to hunt lost unicorns. Now To be specific regarding your question. I dont know of any kind of adapters from Slot-A to something else. But if there is ... it's forbidden Quote
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