Rev3 Up and Running - Complaints, Ideas, Ramblings, Comments ... but no bugs

[Massman]

Why should I ?

 

Some weeks ago I bought many Socket 462 CPU and 2 Abit NF7-S.

 

But why the Hell should I bench it ?

 

Most of the CPUs i bought just award me with 2 Points when im Number 1 and if i take Place 2 i just get 0.1 Points....There is no Motivation for me to Vmod the Board and look for the best config if the Change to get Points is 50/50.

 

I did too

[TiN]

First of all, I like new rev3. Yes, I lost points, and my team lost points quite noticeaby. But I like new ideas, and as my teammate said - Idea of competition on bot is more close to the idea of overclocking with new rev.

 

And now Bug report

 

Wrecked positioning for old profile page (tested with IE7,Opera10). Maybe better drop old profile view? New design was a while ago already, and people get used. Also all important functional stuff exist in new tabs already.

 

Problem with cyrillic letters. Was exist in rev2 too. E.G. submit with russian-named screenshot name get "Crap error" , same with cyrillic letters in description. Not a big deal, but still, sometimes boring.

 

Need updated rules article

 

--------------/end of bugreport

 

Idea: as was stated earlier maybe worth add bit more linearity for first TOP10 of hardware stuff. Or better reward top 10% of hardware category submission. Currenty there is no much sense benching even popular graphics without anything except LN2 and top fast CPU's.

 

Or maybe lower popularity level to less users. There are not much popular (in term of hwbot ranks) hardware with current level.

 

+ I would add

 

Global ranking for 1 GPU

Global ranking for 2 GPU

Global ranking for 3 GPU

Global ranking for 4 GPU

 

as was stated by BenchBros. It's nice to have ranks for x GPU to compare stuff

 

and maybe add chilled cooling type. I'd consider all sub-zero chilled stuff here, like aircooling openair stand in winter, liquid chiller with ice from fridge, liquid chilled with glycol/alcohol frozen by AC unit and so on.

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And as for complaint. People argue to death,but why nobody notice, that benching popular hardware (or unpopular, no matter) CANT HELP to be on overclocking league TOP (or to be at least 50th) AT ALL. Coz 300hwboint limit. Even if somebody benched E6600 with 8800GTX and get 1000000 points for it, this is nothing to overclocking league, where people do WR's and sleep with LN2 dewar!

 

And question for admins. On testserver we had more points (>20k for TOP3 teams afaik), and people had more too, than last days testserver and mainserver now. Change to algorithm. I missed this someway, please describe.

Edited December 31, 2009 by TiN

[thebanik]

How much places did you fall in the ranking?

 

I lost more than 100 ranks, got more hardware points than rev2 in rev3 but lost almost all of my 180 global points because I used to bench the best single CARD, i.e 3870x2, 4870x2, GTX295, 2 x 5870.

 

Now all I did was post scores from a card which is not attractive by any margin, 5870, from last week and I am back to where I was but as I said earlier is this the way forward??? I guess SOF is saying the same thing

Edited December 31, 2009 by thebanik

[romdominance]

Maybe by using an example, I will get my point thru more effectively.

These are actual team members results....talking globally now.

 

Teammate A at NBOC has a Classified with 3x 5870's, a W3570 cpu under SS and has benched for many hours to get the best possible results

= 420bts and 19th in the US /rev2

 

Teammate B at NBOC has a Vanilla X58 with 1x gtx285, a 920 cpu under a chiller and has benched for 1/4 of the hours of mate A to get best possible results

=160bts and 55th in the US /rev2

 

Now overnight

 

Teammate A= 294bts and 37th in US rev/3

Teammate B= 303bts and 35th in US rev/3

 

This is due mainly to the fact that the hardware used by TM A is multi-GPU (big no no in rev3) and the hardware used by TM B is the most popular.

 

How does this reward the best scores? How does this add incentive to our teammates to keep benching against and with eachother?

 

Oh and the test server was unavailable to most of us until 2 days ago.

[Massman]

from a card which is not attractive by any margin, 5870, from last week and I am back to where I was but as I said earlier is this the way forward

 

Less attractive for what?

 

- Gaming?

- Performance?

- Overclocking?

- Competition?

- Economical?

[Alriin]

If you look at the same rank, that's not true. The best 50% get HW boints, so 7th and 12th should get the same 0.1 boints, but 5th will give a bit more.

 

thats what i say: a lot of People become 0,1 Points. Whats the Motivation for Rookies or Occasional-Bencher to make a better Score when the most Scores brings the same Points? In the past i work hours and hours to bring a Score up from Rank 12 to 11, and then i look to hit Rank 10. A good many times i have luck (and i little bit skill) to jump with this method from a average Rank into the Top 5.

 

I have enough Hardware and the Equipment to bench all my Stuff with Extreme-Cooling, but the most People on HWbot bench with Air Cooling. And the most People - 10000 of Average Benchers - make HWbot to the greatest Overclocking-Platform. With Rev3 you kick this 10000 People in the Ass. Sorry. :-(

[Massman]

How does this add incentive to our teammates to keep benching against and with eachother?

 

There's less financial input required to make an actual head-to-head bench. From what I can see, teammate A won because he purchased more hardware.

[Lippokratis]

you call us ignorant, yet when we ask feedback ONE month ago, nothing.

we post URL to test and dev server, ask for feedback, nothing.

 

now "everybody" hates rev3.

 

going from rev1 to rev2... same discussion, over and over again.

 

a fantastic idea starting a testserver at chrismas holiday when everybody is sitting in front of there pc and not making things with there family

 

wait for the days after january 1st when all the other benchers are back from there holidays

 

when your have the next changes to come, post it when the futbol championship is - then you will also not getting any criticism

 

by the way the testserver was buggy

[Massman]

by the way the testserver was buggy

 

Hence the term -test-server.

 

People ask to see progress => we give insight => people complain about the fact it's still only progress.

 

People don't see progress => people complain about not having seen the progress.

[thebanik]

Less attractive for what?

 

- Gaming?

- Performance?

- Overclocking?

- Competition?

- Economical?

 

who would know better than you??? does a overclocker really gets excited to see a score lesser than what he has achieved before???

 

but now have to do exactly that to stay competitive.....I am sure my pockets are gonna love rev3 though

[Massman]

thats what i say: a lot of People become 0,1 Points. Whats the Motivation for Rookies or Occasional-Bencher to make a better Score when the most Scores brings the same Points? In the past i work hours and hours to bring a Score up from Rank 12 to 11, and then i look to hit Rank 10. A good many times i have luck (and i little bit skill) to jump with this method from a average Rank into the Top 5.

 

I have enough Hardware and the Equipment to bench all my Stuff with Extreme-Cooling, but the most People on HWbot bench with Air Cooling. And the most People - 10000 of Average Benchers - make HWbot to the greatest Overclocking-Platform. With Rev3 you kick this 10000 People in the Ass. Sorry. :-(

 

This feels very much like its not about the competition anymore, its about benching only the most popular hardware and in your words Mass "Go for the mid-popular categories: still fair amount of points and not too difficult to get into top10"....don't you see that your needing to direct people in what hardware to use to get max boints instead of telling them "bench the hell out of the best stuff you can get and see how you measure against the pros", turns hwbot into a "no one fails, everyone who comes thru the door gets points, don't try and be the best, just use what everyone else is using" environment.

 

This is an excellent display of the saying "you can't please everyone". Two people complaining about the same core issue ...

[TiN]

romdominance

 

When more people bench with multiGPU, member A will be more awarded than member B.

 

There is flaws in new design, but nothing ideal in this world. Teammate B can make example in contradict to you like:

 

B benched 285 with LN2 on LN2 i7 920 rig, burned away two 285's with wrong voltmods and condensate, and member A just bought stock GTX295, install with bigbucks Core i7 980X run single time everything on stock and got rewards, and B is just 250' places far from cool guy A

[romdominance]

There's less financial input required to make an actual head-to-head bench. From what I can see, teammate A won because he purchased more hardware.

There you go. I just purchased to DD wb's for my 5970's to break the 40k level in 3dmV. Why should I bother now when my single 5870 with the pot on it yields so many more points? Most of NBOC is on SS or better, but those of us who recently purchased multi-gpus are screwed.

Hope you guys see to it to add more global for multicard 3d.

[speddy411]

I did too

 

Maybe youre motivated but im not..With Rev.2 I worked hard for my Scores and also got rewarded with at least some points because most of the Time I managed it to jump into top5.

 

Now with Rev.3 its not necessary to work hard because Place 1,2,3 are Scores with LN2 and the rest of the Scores just gets 0.x Points. Thats not the reward for hours of tweaking and benching...

[Massman]

who would know better than you??? does a overclocker really gets excited to see a score lesser than what he has achieved before???

 

I can ask RB to multiply all points with a factor of one million and everyone will see an increase of points.

 

Does that make things more interesting ... no.

[Advanced]

You're now 1800th of 21000th without having to go very far with any hardware. Sounds reasonable?

 

My hardware is at its limits. I do not have the opportunity to bench with DICE or LN2.

But thats mostly needed to get some points.

 

The LN2 and DICE benchers get their points and the others get 0.1. points.

 

Of course thats more or less general. There are also some categories where it's not like that.

[Massman]

There you go. I just purchased to DD wb's for my 5970's to break the 40k level in 3dmV. Why should I bother now when my single 5870 with the pot on it yields so many more points? Most of NBOC is on SS or better, but those of us who recently purchased multi-gpus are screwed.

Hope you guys see to it to add more global for multicard 3d.

 

And we're back at square one:

 

First: one category => complaint: SLI/CF

Then: two category => complaint: dualgpu and 4x gpu needded

Then: four category => PROBLEM:

 

(if we add all global points to personal total, the balance between GPU and CPU is gone (would be 24 vs 9))

 

SO: four category => 1 applicable for personal total, all applicable for team total.

[TiN]

Wow, new posts appear faster that we can read old ones. I'd suggest interesting experiment - to make ALL points invisible

99.9% of complaint just about numbers, but not skills and hardwork to get top result. That's why nobody from top rankings blame here.

 

I'd closed thread and move all complaints to another thread, and bugreports/fixed left here.

[der8auer]

Another suggestion:

 

E.g. GTX285 http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_285?tab=hall%20of%20fame

 

Could you split up the multiple cards ranking? Would be nice if you can directly see the ranking for 2 GPUs only and 3 GPUs only.

[Massman]

Maybe youre motivated but im not..With Rev.2 I worked hard for my Scores and also got rewarded with at least some points because most of the Time I managed it to jump into top5.

 

Now with Rev.3 its not necessary to work hard because Place 1,2,3 are Scores with LN2 and the rest of the Scores just gets 0.x Points. Thats not the reward for hours of tweaking and benching...

 

I'm motivated because benching is fun. I like to contribute as much as possible to my team, no matter how much points that may be ... even if it's 0,1P.

 

You're making a great generalisation by stating that #1/2/3 is with LN2. Not a correct one. Furthermore, overclocking does involve tweaking with cooling and voltages ... it has been an inherent part of the game since the absolute beginning.

[Massman]

Another suggestion:

 

E.g. GTX285 http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_285?tab=hall%20of%20fame

 

Could you split up the multiple cards ranking? Would be nice if you can directly see the ranking for 2 GPUs only and 3 GPUs only.

 

We tried to fit that into the release, but it didn't make it. It's on top of the to-do list for sure.

[Massman]

I need a couple of drinks now. Shutting down the laptop untill tomorrow.

[der8auer]

Same here =)

Wish you all a happy new year and a great evening.

[thebanik]

well anyways, Happy New Year guyz........

[Olesius]

My friend's points was "290" and now it got "84"...!!! (over 70% points lost)

http://hwbot.org/community/user/los_che

 

WHAT HAPPENED MEN...?? THIS IS TERRIBLE...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited December 31, 2009 by olesius