sin0822 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 nice mate that is better than before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamms Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 Thanks dude, in monday will be Z77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 The decision is really simple: follow the rules. All ES will go to Pro League, only retail in the two others. I know you understood my comment ... If after 1-2 months the facts show that E0 stepping clocks far higher thatn E1 , how will people who don't have access to ES compete ? That's my only concern . We can't get ES CPU's ... and we won't buy ES CPUs . Till now we have seen good and bad clocks from E0 cpus , but only bad clocks from E1 . I hope everything works out . Slamms ... I didn't notice that it was with P67/Z68 board . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 In OC league you will compete against people who are not "allowed" to use E0 ES, just like you. If you want to fight for global WRs, move into pro league and seek for E0 ES. But personally, I think it's too early to judge ... how many actual retail CPUs have been tested under cold til now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I agree that's too early . That's why i gave the 2 months time line . It's just that after seeing those few E1 clocking bad , we're just starting to lose our hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumo Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Only a few E1 ss though but imc looking good. Hope retail will be perfect. It seems that with just above -30ish C we won't find max Mhz. wall with Ivy, not like SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Oh, 1.10 I know it's too slow for dino. Oh you tease! I know you understood my comment ... If after 1-2 months the facts show that E0 stepping clocks far higher thatn E1 , how will people who don't have access to ES compete ? That's my only concern . We can't get ES CPU's ... and we won't buy ES CPUs . Compete where? It's really simple: any ES will have to go to Pro League. That's the rule; it doesn't change if ES is slightly better than retail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin0822 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Stelaras- 3 months and like 3 samples isn't enough. lol i am just taking down the numbers, but how many results are you going by? how many E1 samples have you seen? 1 or2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelaras Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Oh you tease! Compete where? It's really simple: any ES will have to go to Pro League. That's the rule; it doesn't change if ES is slightly better than retail. Compete in every rank at 2d & 3d . As much as there is money to spend , we can compete . Stelaras- 3 months and like 3 samples isn't enough. lol i am just taking down the numbers, but how many results are you going by? how many E1 samples have you seen? 1 or2? Retails are not available here , so i'm just collecting information from what i have seen till now . Is it bad to be concerned about it ??? I don't get it ... Many people are , but just because i like expressing my thoughts/feelings you have to "loL" ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin0822 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 it isn't bad, it is just bad to make assumptions based on very small numbers. If this is indeed true then it really sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafio Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 looks like the only ones not concerned about early ES being better than retail or late ES are the ones who already have an early ES in their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares_ Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) Nice work Vlad!! Have fun!! Edited March 25, 2012 by Gabry_Ares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoF Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 After the "A0-fiasco" it is a legit point to speak about the ban of some certain ES that tend to yield way better MHZ than any other CPU. On Ivy it might be "under testing" for now but if it shows to be the same - I am seriously thinking about ruling out certain ES steppings for points at all... ...at some point people should be "pro-enough" to enter their scores on unavailable hardware without points... ...just my 2 penny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin0822 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) I agree actually agree with you even though I have an E0 CPU. I hate when people who want to get into this sport, those who want to try Ln2 for te first time have the mentality that three is no way they can get the top points if they buy the hardware themselves, it kind of ruins the game up, however that is Intel's issue. I think Intel changes the CPu leakage only to make air OCing better, as the CPus already fall within TDP, and air OCing shouldn't' be a selling point, extreme OC should be. They have no competition in air OC, as their CPus are already so much faster than AMD, so why bother to limit high-end frequency and cold issues? That is where AMD has Intel beat. I think that people should be able to get top scores with retail hardware, but for that to happen retail hardware has to be as good as ES, which if it isn't that is just not good. Like releasing a product, but not making enough to sell any, yea then you really support the community.... But i also don't expect HWBot to do more than put everyone with E0 into Pro league, nothing against HWBot but its a competitive based thing. Edited March 30, 2012 by sin0822 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinos22 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 there was no fiasco, its just binning. expensive CPUs are harder to bin, simple as that. Cheaper stuff ALWAYS beats the best ES results, ppl just whining for the sake of whining, whats new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumo Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Its too small of samples "ES" overclocked (and posted) to justify E0 is better/higher clock than E1 or stepping 9 retail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin0822 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew pro Posted April 10, 2012 Crew Share Posted April 10, 2012 i think you guys might be surprised and E1 might be better, you have to remember for the samples that have been binned so far, a large portion are E0, compared to a small portion E1, so simple maths would tell us there is a far greater chance of finding better clocking chips in the large E0 part of the pie, compared to the tiny E1 slice A0-fiasco blah, the only thing A0 ended up being better at was 32m, retail chips came through and clocked great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew pro Posted April 10, 2012 Crew Share Posted April 10, 2012 After the "A0-fiasco" it is a legit point to speak about the ban of some certain ES that tend to yield way better MHZ than any other CPU. ...at some point people should be "pro-enough" to enter their scores on unavailable hardware without points... how about we ban any retails that are amazing too, like the ones stewie and you were playing with in the past? lets also ban mods to GPU, because after mods they are no longer available to buy from retail shops thats what the pro league is there for, so you can compete in whatever league you want and not complain for the sake of complaining just my 2c worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Well, it took a year for retail to catch up. That's a long time to wait for one piece of silicon to equalise...BUT..... I agree that's what the Pro league is for. It's for the guys with access to the crazy stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoF Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 thats what the pro league is there for, so you can compete in whatever league you want and not complain for the sake of complaining just my 2c worth funny how you mix up "discussing" with "whining" and "complaining". Anyway somehow you didn't get the point, mixed it up with retail things, so no need to take this any further... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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