gulftown ES vs Retail

[Mutant_Tractor]

Thank you for your contribution Andre

Would you agree if you want the best or want to be the best sacrifices have to be made?

[BenchZowner]

Their longevity at those voltages is doubtable for sure.

The retail ones though die harder ( some refuse to die too ) but it doesn't really matter because no matter how much voltage you punch through them they don't clock anywhere near the average Q3FE & Q3QP ES do.

On the other hand, you have a warranty and that makes a big difference, especially for the people who are... well... not rich.

Only a selected few can splash out 5k$ just to buy 5 CPUs and have some fun with them and don't give a f* when they die.

Getting them for free makes this even harder for the ones on the outside ( being on the outside doesn't mean that you're not worth of being inside, you just need to get there, nobody started at the very top level and had the right connections from day 1 ).

[BenchZowner]

No, I paid a lot of money for these es cpus.

 

Sorry, I didn't see anyone mentioning your name Andre.

What you said is partially true though.

You have or had results posted with a processor that you didn't pay for yourself or belonged to you.

[Mutant_Tractor]

Im not rich dude i cant even afford a 150 dewar service lol

I just got lucky buying one early i had no idea of its potential

[AndreYang]

Sorry, I didn't see anyone mentioning your name Andre.

What you said is partially true though.

You have or had results posted with a processor that you didn't pay for yourself or belonged to you.

 

 

I totally understood what you mean, BZ. I just want to point a lot of people paid a lot of money for nice hw to get top results. They don't really care the hw are es or retail.

 

You know how much I spend for retail to beat these ES. Why should I change my mind now? Because no one cares about that and no one wants to help me to piss es off before. OK, I gave up retail and start to bench ES because you guys don't care about anything before. Why did you guys complain about es now? Is it fair for me before?

 

Andre

[Mutant_Tractor]

+1 on what Andre said,

Why all of a sudden has it become a big deal for us to use ES CPUs?

If the ES's were crap no one would care and in the next while when there is a new revision maybe retail will be better than ES we just dont know and until a chip stepping comes out that will beat A0 we are gonna have people crying over it then all of a sudden when that happens "sure ES 980Xs can be in the rankings cause we ca beat them and it gets us more boints"

Myles

[BenchZowner]

The same can be said about the Core 2 Extreme X6800 and their ES's, the retails were better, only difference being it wasn't illegal or that much of a risk to buy a perfectly legal and backed by a warranty chip

 

What's unique in this case is... the gap that separates the retail and the ES processors this time.

With the 670 ES & retails ( where the ESs are once again better ) the difference isn't that big, yet if you want a top spot you need an ES again.

 

But the gap between the 980X retail and 980X ESs is abysmal.

We're talking about several hundreds of MHz.

Pi 1M ? 6745MHz vs 6153MHz

Pi 32M ? 6587MHz vs 6091MHz

3D Mark06 ? 6358MHz vs 6089MHz

3D Mark Vantage ? 6090MHz vs 5700ish MHz

AquaMark 3 ? 6485MHz vs 6161MHz

[AndreYang]

The same can be said about the Core 2 Extreme X6800 and their ES's, the retails were better, only difference being it wasn't illegal or that much of a risk to buy a perfectly legal and backed by a warranty chip

 

What's unique in this case is... the gap that separates the retail and the ES processors this time.

With the 670 ES & retails ( where the ESs are once again better ) the difference isn't that big, yet if you want a top spot you need an ES again.

 

But the gap between the 980X retail and 980X ESs is abysmal.

We're talking about several hundreds of MHz.

Pi 1M ? 6745MHz vs 6153MHz

Pi 32M ? 6587MHz vs 6091MHz

3D Mark06 ? 6358MHz vs 6089MHz

3D Mark Vantage ? 6090MHz vs 5700ish MHz

AquaMark 3 ? 6485MHz vs 6161MHz

 

 

No, because I don't want to spend stupid money to hand pick retail again. If I did it again, you guys are gone again. Right? I just feel very unfair what you guys don't do the same thing before, but do it right now because you guys cannot match these es cpus score.

[BenchZowner]

I don't know about the rest ( and I'm fine with ESs being allowed as long as the retails can hit similar frequencies ) but I'm fine with people handpicking processors.

[AndreYang]

I don't know about the rest ( and I'm fine with ESs being allowed as long as the retails can hit similar frequencies ) but I'm fine with people handpicking processors.

 

 

 

 

Did you remember so many people piss 975 ES off before until someone show us godly retail 975? Then everyone just shut up after that. Why not you guys just wait some nice batch retail are coming out? I believe they will come as soon as possible. Hiwa and gio already showed me close 6G vantage retail 980X. It really wastes time to discuss this here.

[BenchZowner]

I certainly hope to see some good batches or a better revision on the shelves, but I can't see that happening soon.

Unless the shops start to throw 980X's to the garbage bins, for the time being I can only find 3003B chips.

[knopflerbruce]

The same can be said about the Core 2 Extreme X6800 and their ES's, the retails were better, only difference being it wasn't illegal or that much of a risk to buy a perfectly legal and backed by a warranty chip

 

What's unique in this case is... the gap that separates the retail and the ES processors this time.

With the 670 ES & retails ( where the ESs are once again better ) the difference isn't that big, yet if you want a top spot you need an ES again.

 

But the gap between the 980X retail and 980X ESs is abysmal.

We're talking about several hundreds of MHz.

Pi 1M ? 6745MHz vs 6153MHz

Pi 32M ? 6587MHz vs 6091MHz

3D Mark06 ? 6358MHz vs 6089MHz

3D Mark Vantage ? 6090MHz vs 5700ish MHz

AquaMark 3 ? 6485MHz vs 6161MHz

 

Not that I deny that there is a difference, but some of these numbers aren't 100% correct, as it's pretty obvious that for instance the 6090MHz 06 capable retail can do alot more in at least 1m and 32m than 6150Mhz. The gap is in general 300MHz, I think - based on the numbers above.

[AndreYang]

I certainly hope to see some good batches or a better revision on the shelves, but I can't see that happening soon.

Unless the shops start to throw 980X's to the garbage bins, for the time being I can only find 3003B chips.

 

http://forum.nexthardware.com/overclocking-e-cpu/67310-retail-x-980-vantage-a-quota-6-giga.html

 

 

 

 

It's not bad. Right?

[BenchZowner]

Not too shabby.

Wish I could find at least a similar chip

[Mutant_Tractor]

Its all down to luck

There WILL be a retail that can match ES in the future, look at the 975 D0

BZ sorry for being arrogant earlier, I get a little worked up sometimes

*Shake hands?*

Myles

[BenchZowner]

Its all down to luck

There WILL be a retail that can match ES in the future, look at the 975 D0

BZ sorry for being arrogant earlier, I get a little worked up sometimes

*Shake hands?*

Myles

 

We're ok man

We all get a bit over our heads sometimes, it just happens

[Mutant_Tractor]

Thanks dude

Were both strong opinioned i guess, good talking with you lol

[steponz]

How about this BenchZ, if the es chips are still on top in 6 months time, Ill be with you.... Fair...

[Massman]

At Campus Party we have been testing 10x Q3FE ... none of the chips reach 6GHz even close to Vantage stable :-/

[BenchZowner]

You guys are either bad overclockers or just went through a batch Intel planned to send to me initially

[Mutant_Tractor]

Massman your at Campus Party too?

One of the guys Kenny from BenchTec is there, he posted up pictures, looks awesome!

[Massman]

Yeah, I'm there.

 

Anyway, looks like retail is picking up quite nicely lately and A0 has proven to be crap as well.

[BenchZowner]

2 CPUs, one of them being Stummie's and the other one being... well... you know tsan and his luck isn't exactly what I'd call picking up, not even close yet.

If anybody else finds a retail as good as tsan's seems to be, I'll be surprised.

[AndreYang]

2 CPUs, one of them being Stummie's and the other one being... well... you know tsan and his luck isn't exactly what I'd call picking up, not even close yet.

If anybody else finds a retail as good as tsan's seems to be, I'll be surprised.

 

 

 

1 of 100 Q3FEs for 6.5G 3D. Is it lucky?

[stummerwinter]

@Andre, would say: hard work to find the one!

 

Just jump into here...

 

Shure, had luck with my retail...

 

Will do more testing next weekend, maybe 3DV (even I don't like it) and some 3D06, let's see, what I can do...

 

Only problem I face right now, CPU does AM3, PiFast and 3D05 above 6,3 GHz, but can't run 1M at 6,2...

 

Allready discuss this on XS...