Mr.Scott

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Slow as a bitch as I post this right now. Always seems to be around this time for me. 3-5pm

Not sure it matters anymore. You can't get an ORB validation for it anymore and that would be the only thing that would really be illegal about using a generated key.

OK, I know the 'fix', but 'replace' was the word used so it threw me off. Next question, why would registering the benchmark be illegal? I mean, if you have a key why not use it?

The only difference is SATA.

A better question would be, if you are, is it legal?

Oh I'm fully aware that you do. None of my socket A Abit boards will beat that, so it's off to the BE6-II. I'll still submit in socket A but don't really have a chance. It'll be fun though. Pretty sure I still have an AN8 here too............somewhere.

The AX78 officially supported Agena 9500 and 9600's.

Mine is alive and well.

Like the idea for the comp. It's all about the board. Cool.

+1

Bummer. IMO, if somebody can excel in multiple categories (IE different card count) of the same bench, they should be rewarded for it. They should never have to take a back seat to somebody with a lesser score just because they can compete in other categories. I just can't understand how you think that would be fair.

Understood. I see no reason to not be able to get points in all 4 categories (1x-4x) cards, if you have the equipment. Why should you be limited to best score only if you have the means to be best in all of them?

Not for nothing but, wouldn't that be defeating the purpose of how the 3 leagues were broken down in the first place? In my understanding, the Pro league was for sponsored guys or guys that felt they could compete with sponsored guys on the same level. The other 2 remaining leagues were split via cooling method, to alleviate the 'we can't compete with the extreme cold guys fairly' bitching. It never had anything to do with cost of hardware. IMO, there should be no further break down of leagues than what I posted above. Can't afford a 3 or 4 card setup?, then you don't bench a 3 or 4 card setup and don't expect to compete with the guys that do. Common sense prevails here. What ever happened to KISS?

Yes, I guess that's true.

Nice Frank. I see tons of improvement available too.

It scares me that you even knew how to spell that.

I'm more pleased the we can have a civil discussion, than anything about PCM05. Thank you for that.

I wanted a more drastic example. You caught the post as I was editing. I understand the board will level out eventually, but that doesn't make it right. Besides, almost nobody will bench using the tweaks on old hardware. Somebody could make a substantial killing in hardware points on the old platforms should they decide to apply themselves to it, and those rankings may never level out. If it's now just about global points, then omit hardware points for PCM05.

See....it's a vicious circle pending your point of view. Being a hardware bench, I see the hardware first and foremost. You see the tweaks being more important than the actual hardware.

Yes, but they are just examples. My point was that a single core at the same speed of a dual core, with the same periferal extra hardware, using tweaks/hacks, should never be able to beat said dual core that's using no tweaks. Unless I'm mistaken and PCM05 is a totally single threaded app. A tweaked single core should never beat a dual at the same speed ever. Yet I can find examples of it in the rankings. That's why this is no longer a hardware bench.

Copy-waza and drivers will not increase/decrease your score 100+%. Right now a 3000+ Venice at 3 gig with all the tweaks applied, will kill an Opty 165 at 3 gig with no tweaks using all the exact same hardware. That should never happen. When the tweaks/hacks score more points than the hardware being benched, the bench is skewed. It's no longer a hardware bench.

Further discussion with you is pointless because you don't respect my opinion anyway. You're turning it personal, and it's not. Don't worry, I'm not heartbroken.

What ever you say dude.

Sorry to hear that. Guess that would make me the bigger man then. At least I respect your opinion.