knopflerbruce

AFAIK, no RETAIL xeon w3xxx C0/C1 chips exist, therefore those xeons are not allowed.

Exactly. Intel chips have the most horsepower, but not everything here is about that - max frequencies for example. The current ram frequency WR is done on an AMD APU, too. CPUZ has been in the game since forever, ignoring that fact would be more company biased than anything else I can think of.

I must have missed something, since when was the Pro OC Cup supposed to be Intel only?

Yeah, it would be better if we used only two digits for pifast indeed - or modified it so it would always display three instead. I agree with you there.

Eh, 0 hours, 0 minutes and 31.040 seconds? Looks normal to me. You always get three decimals when benching superpi, and all of them must be included.

The OC related things are fine, as long as everything that COULD be relevant is OK (HDDs - PCMark, ANY cooling equipment etc.).

Hehe, Xtreme Addict complained about this one, too. Looks like it's all good now

Personally I feel that if an item is sold, the selling price should still be visible. It gives potential buyers/sellers a chance to see what a fair value is for an item. One thing I find very annoying in huge FS forums is that if i search for something, I get a bunch of threads where there is no such item listed for sale in the first post at all - is it possible to use the search engine in such a way that it only searches the first posts, signature not included?

I don't think we should moderate anything. At your own risk is better... easier for us, and people can report stuff to the police, or paypal if they do it that way. Isn't that enough? Not sure how we'd make heat mandatory. If we do, I suggest ebay feedback as an equivalent option.

IMO own ranking, like we have done with GTX295, 9800GX2, HD6990 and probably more cards. There's a 560 2Win, too

I'm too lazy to check if he did superpi/wprime/pifast, but perhaps that's an option if he only does CPUZ.

I'll be watching those rankings...

They're correct it seems - click the 'rankings' button, and select 2 cores. You'll get this ranking for 32m: http://hwbot.org/benchmark/wprime_-_32m/rankings?start=0&hardwareTypeId=processor_2301&cores=2#start=0#interval=20 - which is the correct one. Compare with the other two scores and you'll see the same 170 unlocked to two cores in all three screenshots, yours included.

Links please (to the scores).

I don't really get the HW arguments. Massman will - most likely - create stages with only current gen HW, which most of those who joined the pro league already "have" to buy to be competitive. OK, so maybe you wont win against the big teams, but that's already the case? What's the problem?

There's a difference between this requirement and the tweak discussion, as that was more kind of a help for you so you didn't post more subs that would've been blocked later anyway. That's a very good reason to give some sort of "rule like" advice there. I bet alot of you would've been rather pissed if you posted a nice score on one day, and the next day all of a sudden a wild newspost appears and your score is officially invalid. I don't quite get the fuzz about the txt requirement, it's rather easy to add, and AFAIK no 2012 scores were blocked because that tab was missing.

If you can afford the top end platforms you can afford 'cheap junk', for example trinity and piledriver. Compare the cost vs a 3960x based setup and you'll see what I mean. Plus, if there are several people within a team there are more people who can share the extra costs. Plus, Bulldozer/Piledriver are both important to be able to compete in the pro league due to CPUZ - so it's like complaining about including Ivy Bridge As for creating a team, most teams got plenty of members - should be no problems recruiting a couple of extra hands. If we lose some of the current pro league members, what if we get otherss who LIKE the system? Hard to tell who 'wins', but the cup is a good idea in quite a few ways.

I said: FOLLOW THE FREAKIN RULES ON THE MAIN PAGE. Sometimes people come up with things that are not clearly legal or not (in ALL benchmarks, not just pcm05). By your reasoning we can't reply before we've investigated it, which won't happen overnight. The other option is that we give some advice based on some initial thoughts when you guys ask - that's what I'm referring to. We can't foresee every misinterpretation of the main page rules (this thread is an excellent example), so we have to step in and clarify some things (aka grey areas). To some of you, the TW tweaks and codec replacements were possibly grey area - but in reality they were all manipulating the benchmark in ways not allowed by the general gules. There's no need to retire a benchmark because people cannot judge a tweak based on a clear set of rules. That's really the main problem here, we have to babysit what people do because they can't make proper judgements themselves (raidXpert sector size for example). Sorry if I sound harsh. Just trying to be a bit clear

Yeah, the official rules are the ones linked to on the main page - nothing else. Otherwise there would be a double standard - forum people go by forum rules and the others by the main site rules, which is not the way we should do things. On the other hand - if there are grey area situations that are covered only in the forum, follow whatever we say here.

Can't we just beat those results? I'll do 2D and you'll do 3D

Isn't this pretty much how it has to look? Maybe they could've added 30% more or so, but not more than that... The length of the part sticking out cannot be larger than the height of paste inside the tube, if not you won't be able to empty the darn thing So by looking at that part you kinda know how much you'll get - not by looking at the actual size of the tube.

I do not think ramcaching has EVER been allowed in 05, it's even in the forbidden tweaks list (and it has been there for a long time already). In other words, this is no moderator's fault unless you can quote a moderator saying it has been allowed (in 05, not Vantage or 7 - it's allowed for those benchmarks). We can't babysit your submissions, dude. If you're confused, check the official rules for PCM05 (and perhaps even the general rules). It's your responsibility to make sure your submissions are legit, and AFAIK you've posted a bunch of ramcached subs in the past, all blocked. For the last time: DON'T DO IT! RAMCACHING IS NOT ALLOWED FOR PCMARK05! OK?

I'm sure that was mentioned at some point, perhaps implicitly, but I see ( *sigh* ) that you only have to deal with a very limited range of hardware now, as usual. Too bad. The real champion of HWBot will still be the XOL leader I suppose:p

if the .txt requirement wasn't written in the rules at the time the result was posted we can't block the score.

My bet is that in this new competition you'll see highend components also, though not just ONLY those as it is now. At the moment the pro league is an easy way to avoid any sort of older hardware - in my opinion you have to be able to deal with older parts as well as newer parts if you want to be on top of the league which more or less points out who is #1 overall. To me, the overclockers league is the one that truly shows how much skill you've got. You can't get away with a 3770k, a 680 and a 7970 there, you need to know how to deal with a wide variety of hardware.