PCMark05 , keep or remove from hwbot.

[Guest subzero]

keep xp startup

[knopflerbruce]

just an idea that came to mind.

Remove actual pcmark05 (this means keep current scores, points, golds) like you did with sisoftsandra(aka remove the ability to submite results).

Then add the new pcmark05 with rules reworked(different ranking than the old pcmark05).

 

doing so old pcmark05 results will not be so easy beaten by the new rules, imo its fair

 

This won't solve anything, as people will still submit using the older rules, and we'll still have problems moderating the results.

[xoqolatl]

Keep the startup limit, and the rest is OK.

[Strat]

New rules are good to me. Imo the XPstartup limit was ridiculous...

[chispy]

Massman you got a very good set of rules there in your Proposal, it will work only if the 220 xp start up cap its removed completely. If you keep xp start up 220 cap , the benchmark will be worthless and not reflecting real time performance of todays hardware , it's totally against everything overclocking is about , also going by the same analogy you will have to place a cap on most of the sub-tests or it will be very unfair if you do not update the xp 220 cap start up and remove it completely.

 

This looks great:

 

" - No ramdisk or MFT software allowed

- XP startup cap removed

- Benchmark must run on default web browser (Internet Explorer, any version) and default audio/video codec

- Browser enhancement tweaks such as disabling/removing features, plugins, make-up etc are allowed

- Audio and video codec tweaks are allowed. Powertoy is, as GUI for the registry, allowed "

 

I believe thats the best option , either that or remove it completely.

Edited August 1, 2011 by chispy

[Christian Ney]

agree with chipsy and massman, but on a separated ranking, or do like I said.

 

btw, @ knut, I think you didn't get my point

[S_A_V]

WMV registry / PowerToy (including 32x32 encoding size) gives +4K to overall score.

Internet Explorer tweaks gives another +1K...+2K (this is for Win7 ~45 pages/s , wait when Win8 compatibility issues will be fixed you will see ~60 pages/sec).

Uncapped XP Startup - also up to +4K to overall score (at least for 2xSSD R0).

 

So, if we allow PowerToy and IE Tweaks - it will be enough to make old scores easy to beat, even if we will keep XP Startup cap.

That is why I think now if the best moment to remove the cap. Now or never.

Both way new scores with new rules will be around 50K.

Edited August 1, 2011 by S_A_V

[El Gappo]

Way to fuck up a perfectly good benchmark and an entire database of scores.

 

Anyone want an acard?

[pro]

Massman you got a very good set of rules there in your Proposal, it will work only if the 220 xp start up cap its removed completely.

 

why Chispy? because you can't get good score with these rules?

[pro]

That is why I think now if the best moment to remove the cap. Now or never.

Both way new scores with new rules will be around 50K.

 

the more i think about this, the more I think you are right, its a good time to remove it, regardless if we do it or not, the current scores are junk, so lets do it properly

[knopflerbruce]

why Chispy? because you can't get good score with these rules?

 

You know very well that that's BS. This is about principles too. I don't want pcmark to be about who has the most skill in running the setup as slow as possible to meet a fancy and unneeded rule. Better to show your skill by getting high xp startups instead. Or you can't get good scores with unlimited xp startup?

[pro]

Or you can't get good scores with unlimited xp startup?

 

hahaha you'll have to wait and see won't you

[Chiller]

just update the rules !!!

 

there are so many scores uploaded,

thousands of people have scores, points hw and gl.

People need the read the rules before they upload, so simple as that.

 

every benchmark you can tweak like hell to get better score, one benchmark more eassier then another one.

 

one Os is better then another one, ALWAYS will be this an discussion.

 

this pcmark05 is to long on hwbot with points ranking etc, just keep it, and update the rules.

 

Hwbot has to think that they fuck up the ranking to much :

 

first with update to rev3, a lot of people loose ranking points etc..

now update to rev4 the same, all ranking gets flipped upside down.

 

now you whant to do again something that fucks up the ranking?

 

come hwbot, think, keep current benchmarks but update ALL RULES on every benchmark !!!

 

As for shure hardware sharing within Team should be NOT allowed and more controll over it.

I see to many teams with always the same members using the same hardware, vga, cpu, same OC and scores very short to eighother, just OS or screenshot is different,

more control over that !

 

ps : i don't mean this in a bad way, just sharing my opinion.

[chispy]

Good Day Massman Please Let Us know as soon as a desision its made.

 

Kind Regards: Angelo.

[SteveRo]

+1 on Massman's new rules, +1 on do away with the 220 limit.

And yes - SAV is right - we will see huge new scores very quickly.

One positive - this might create new interest in the bench - bring in some of those that haven't tried it before?

[pro]

its great to have a benchmark that people dont need a 6ghz cpu or 1700 cpu to compete in, to be brutally honest you dont even need a raid controller to be top 5

 

5.3ghz, a few old irams, or some new sata3 ssds or perhaps some acards and your in the game.. dont need to bin anything!

 

i like that

[pablocs08]

Tweaks tweaks and more tweaks grrrr!!! vote for remove

[Mr.Scott]

And the noose tightens a little more. Modify the rules and Remove are nearly equal now.

[Massman]

Okay, let's go with:

 

- No ramdisk or MFT software allowed

- 220MB/s XP startup cap

- Benchmark must run on default web browser (Internet Explorer, any version) and default audio/video codec

- Browser enhancement tweaks such as disabling/removing features, plugins, make-up etc are allowed

- Audio and video codec tweaks are allowed. Powertoy is, as GUI for the registry, allowed

 

Also, let's make an agreement that we come back to this thread in 3 months (9th of November) and evaluate if these new rules work. If turns out the benchmark is pretty much 'unsaveable', we can still remove it after a couple of months. Given the outcome of the POLL, I'd say these are the two only options we have.

[SteveRo]

Checking just to make sure - the 220 start up cap is staying for now?

[Massman]

Yes.

 

The cap has been a characteristic of the bench since the beginning and it makes sense to keep it (even though you're basically limiting the stock performance).

[SteveRo]

ok understood re the cap - the cap is staying.

 

Do you want to add something about - Multithreaded Test 2 - Text edit and image decompression. Mods allowed or no? If yes, what is allowed registry only? no changing the apps used?

[Massman]

Apps cannot be changed; changing the app's settings is allowed.

 

(I'll add that to the rules as well)

[SteveRo]

very good - concur.

[Chiller]

the cap still staying?

 

That's a bitch

 

So also a limited OC on cpu when submitting superpi runs, it's almost the same, limiting the benchmark full testing of you're system.