Rev3 Up and Running - Complaints, Ideas, Ramblings, Comments ... but no bugs

[Bartmasta]

Guys I don't like the new way that points work

 

I mean take for example SPI for 720 BE http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4465&page=7

 

How come you need to be 23# to get any decent points and after that it's just 0.1? For popular hardware the best scores are because people have high end cooling. Now the people with air cooling have no chance at getting any points.

 

I thought this change was gonna be suited for people that can't have high end stuff. Guess it's the otherway around.

[Massman]

JMke is using the wrong words to explain:

 

Rev 3 is not about benching popular harware, it's about performing good within your hardware/benchmark category. If you are 1/10, you will be rewarded with points; if you 35/40 you'll only receive 0.1p. It's not because you use popular hardware that you will instantly receive 10p per score ...

[skydec]

I don't know if it's a bug in points calculation algorithm for old hardware but if you're not in first three of five you'll get 0.1 point.

The idea of overclocking old hardware for fun is completely ruined.

I bought a cpu for 2$ put it under H2O and benched every test, the results weren't in top five because these are usually sub zero cooling, but they were in top ten, and there was about 5 to 10 points with that cpu.

Now it's everything 0.1 points. And I've lost 600 points.

 

And the achievement "Friends hide their computer when you come over" - Make 1000 submissions to HWBOT

- It's name doesn't have any kind of sense compared to what it represents - 1000 submissions,

 

The "I starved while running super pi" is fun, but I usually run slow spi32m over night

[der8auer]

sorry, miss phrased, rev3 is most rewarding when benching popular hardware

 

Yes that's true but who will bench unpopular hardware if you only recieve 0,1-0,5p even on place 3. But if you submit a really bad score you get 0,1 anyway... That makes it not worth to bench anymore.

 

And who will go for the "real WRs" now? If you earn most points with only one card? You need much more skills to bench 4 GPUs subzero and therefore you get nearly nothing compared to single GPU.

 

Global always meant to me gaining a really fast score and now, in wPrime 1024m, i get more global Points with an E8600 than a i7-975?

[fuzz3l]

Guys sorry but the point calculation sucks in many ways!

 

WTF makes a place 100 with 88GTX in 3D06 more worth than the ABSOLUT worldrecord in 3D06???!

[Guest Shahryar_NEO - BaRaN]

we got 50 pt for thishttp://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/823599.png

and all 920 cpu-z get high point is it bug?

[jabski]

search doesnt seem to work

ie. when you go to input a cpu it wont bring up the list

many thanks

Edited December 31, 2009 by jabski

[fuzz3l]

This just not makes sense!

 

When i do ABSOLUT worldrecord a beat EVERYBODY on the world. Imo it's not about the HW i used, i was just better than everbody in this World! Is that worth a like a pice of sh** now here?

[fuzz3l]

And it's still nonsense! I won't even be in top 10 when i beat all OVERALL worldrecords.... Where is the sense about that?

 

Oh cool than i'm on a list where even not everybody is listed that benches 3DMark in this world? GREAT! FAIL guys, EPIC FAIL!

Edited December 31, 2009 by Kovsk

[Guest Shahryar_NEO - BaRaN]

i send comment with shahryar_neo - baran and show with this id: fraeco is it bug to?

[Massman]

This just not makes sense!

 

When i do ABSOLUT worldrecord a beat EVERYBODY on the world. Imo it's not about the HW i used, i was just better than everbody in this World! Is that worth a like a pice of sh** now here?

 

That's how Rev1 was: nothing was split up in anything and there was ONE ranking. People complained that you needed to spend BIG bucks on hardware to come near the tope, which was a valid argument.

 

It's really simple: do you think that if I buy a 1024-core server, I should get all the Wprime points (225+ in Rev2)? Just running it at stock?

[fuzz3l]

Guys i think you don't get my point.

 

It's not about that i don't like the splitting! I don't like the way the points are given...

 

When i read the first post to Rev 3.0 i loved it... but that what's online now just let me feel sick

 

You are always coming up with your Server Farm for WPrime.. that the only benchmark where we have that problem! And got it guys? I'm talking about 3DMark all the time...

[steelrat]

it possible to somehow add the photo to the old results?

[Massman]

it possible to somehow add the photo to the old results?

 

Will be added in the next couple of weeks

[Massman]

You are always coming up with your Server Farm for WPrime.. that the only benchmark where we have that problem! And got it guys? I'm talking about 3DMark all the time...

 

So this is only applicable to 3Dmark? Why exactly?

[der8auer]

So it would be better to split the wPrime Ranking up in Sockets and not in Cores. Multi-Socket systems like big servers wouldn't recieve that much.

It's just not "global" if you can beat a 975 with a E8600...

[fuzz3l]

Maybe you should take a look @my profile... i'm not a high money bencher guys... Of course your points about stock clocked hardware is rigth.

 

But what i just wanted to say is that it just sucks that a overall WR is worth notheing now...

 

Don't get me wrong! I really like the idea of splliting the rankings!

[fuzz3l]

But who says that the ranking will get more popular? Who want's to bench 3x or 4x now when it's worth almost notheing atm?

 

I know that there is of course a fair factor of results and points. But the current factor in 3x and 4x just sucks atm

[speddy411]

The most annoying thing is that "Oldie-Benches" are not profitable anymore...All my points are nearly useless because now the most submissions count as 0.1 Points and not like before as 2 or 3 for third Place for example.

 

So the main point is that benching "Oldies" is useless because who wants to buy a Athlon XP if the highest Score youre able to earn is 2 Points ? And if you place at third or 5. you just get 0.1 Points....

[SoF]

well if this is your last thing to say, I have to quit, too...

Now hwbot is about having parts of the most popular hardware and the best single GPU...a 5970 03 WR gives you, I don't know, 20 points? It's so ridicolous now that whole point-system...

Sorry guys I know you have been working hard for rev3 but honestly, I agree with most of my german fellas (including guys from AwardFabrik, PCGHX and Hardwareluxx) and say it was one step forward and 5 steps backwards...

I really hope for some changes or I am out of here, playing my own game with multi-cards and cores again out there with the spirit that for us the absolut best counts more than everything else (specially more than how popular a piece of hardware is)...

LOL what can I do now with my Gulftown in wprime??? You MUST be kidding guys...is hwbot now "we want every average joe overclocker to be able to join TOP10 if he buys popular hardware and has some luck with his GPU"...we cut off all guys having fun with newest, but unpopular technology (e.g. Gulftown) as they are too good for an overall score competition?!?!...hilarious

 

And yes I followed this discussion from the very beginning but I never expected it to come out that bad...

[fm7272722]

I miss the cooling info on the hardware ranking pages. Was nice to see what type of cooling was used by others in this list.

[Oskaliber]

Could you optimize website for lower resolutions like 1024x768?

 

100~ points down by the way

[der8auer]

you're not "beating" a 975 with an E8600.

You are "rewarded" more for ranking high in a popular category

compared to ranking high in a less popular category

 

nothing more, nothing less.

 

if everybody started benching SLI/CF, then ranking #1 in 2xGPU ranking will become more rewarding. it's simply a system of weight. give more weight to those categories with lots of competition. Turns out, as with everything else in the IT, the HIGH END is not as well represented as mid-range and low-end.

 

Yea i know but "global" always meant to me to have really really fast scores but now it's not about the score. It's just about weight of categories.

 

You try to give ppl with less money the chance to participate at hwbot. That's a good thought! The old scheme rewarding the top 5 was great. 2 points for 1st and then go down slowly. If you don't reward benching unpopular hardware no one will bench it. Okay you say for achievements but there are a lot of benchers benching for the team like "Lippokratis" of PCGamesHardware did. Now he has hundred of results with 0,1 points... there is no motivation for him to go on benching unpopular CPUs.

 

In my opinion the difference between popular and unpopular is to big. You should reward unpopular hardware a bit more. In the past you recieved good points beeing in Top20 Hardwarecategory. Now you often get 0,1p at place 3, 4, 5 or less... just not balanced

[Bartmasta]

What I think should be done is a steady decline of points

 

instead of it just being 0.1 points after a certain rank it should go 1.5 1.3 1.1 0.9 etc.

 

and everyone that submited into the top 100 shouldn't get a 0.1 point because people can just run at stock speeds without trying.

 

Also effort is irrelevant here. I can tweak for hours with my hardware only to get beaten by a guy with an i7 with no tweaks simply because he has a better cpu for 3dmark06 or whatever

[Masterwana]

wPrime32m Bug

 

I benched 32m @ 25.086 sec.

I also typed 25.086 during Submission.

BUT i ranked with 25.86 sec. - where is the "0"?

 

http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=936411

 

its not a big problem for me but others can lost serveral places and points!