gulftown ES vs Retail

[Mutant_Tractor]

I agree with steponz,

Granted i am biased in that i have a Q3QP but I think at this stage it is just jealousy or regret from the people that bough Retail 980-X's and found them not to clock as well as the ES's,

ES's are available to you if you know where to look... eBay

I dont see what the big deal is, its just like batch numbers on Q6600's if you are lucky/are in the know/have contacts and get a good batch you can do a lot better than other people,

Another example is the Intel i7 920 C0 vs D0, D0 whips the C0 but we dont get cry babies going on about it,

This situations is EXACTLY the same, if you had the good foresight to buy a 980X A0 Q3QP or Q3FE then thats just a better revision, simple as.

980X = 32nm, 6 Core HT CPU, what is the 980X ES? Exactly that.

[BenchZowner]

1) Q3FE's are VERY VERY rare, and who would sell a good Q3FE ? I bet you won't find any ( Q3FE/Q3QP ) off e-bay/etc that clocks over 6.3GHz ( you might as well find a sub 6.2GHz chip ).

 

2) Q3QP's & Q3FE's die relatively easy, so, who would spend a grand in a part that comes without any kind of warranty and can die in a few minutes or hours of testing ?

 

3) If you have to go through 300 retail 980X's to find one that can bench SuperPi 1M at just 6.3GHz you think it's still fair to allow the ES's ?

[Mutant_Tractor]

1) Granted they are rare but if you get in early and bought one that was your own good fortune

 

2) Reliability of hardware/cost is irrelevant, tell that to Andre Yang who self bins batches of CPUs, surely the amount of money he spends on CPUs to self bin them makes it far less "fair" than someone who spends maybe 1/30th as much on one CPU and gets lucky, if you want to test your hardware to destruction that is your own perogative

 

3) I believe it is fair as this is just the same as your first point, Rare CPU = Same as a GS GPU or hand picked RAM you get lucky or you have people that you know, a 980X whether ES or not is a 980X.

[BenchZowner]

Let's just take it to the next step then.

I am the man, I have somebody in Intel, I ask for a 28nm ES with a 980X identification string and play with that in the 6 core category because... I can

You should buy one too, just find the connection

[Mutant_Tractor]

Exactly, now see i totally dont have a problem with that,

Id just think to myself "Jammy Git" and continue benching my 980X,

You out of your own resourcefulness have managed to get a 28nm CPU with 6 Cores well done to you I can wholeheartedly say i would not have one problem with you doing that as long as it was identifiable by Intel as an "i7 980X" same ass all our Q3QP/Q3FEs are

EDIT:

Actually,

Upon thinking about that a 980X = 6Cores, 32nm

What you would be doing is masking a processor with a different manufacturing process onto another, That is cheating thats a completely different argument.

Edited April 1, 2010 by Mutant_Tractor

[BenchZowner]

Mind if I bench a 512 SP GTX 480 with it as well ?

 

So, you think "Money & Connections" is the way to go for HWbot and the overclocking league...

[Mutant_Tractor]

Thats not what i said,

Well if you find a 512SP GTX 480 Rev A2 GPU go for it dude but itll cost you an arm and a leg,

I think a 512SP 480 is what could be classified as a GS GPU, It is one you can get if you are lucky or if you are specifically looking for it

 

I dont think money and connections is the way to go but i think if you have the connections and the money then you are welcome to use them, like I said Andre Yang does just that he cherry picks CPUs through his money and connections, wour saying cause he has those connections and the money to do that HWBot should ban him?

 

An ES CPU is just something you can get a hold of if you look for it early enough on on eBay simple as,

I bought my 980X cause i wanted a 6Core CPU, I had no idea it was Q3QP it could indeed have been a Q4EG and not have clocked as well but i got lucky.

Edited April 1, 2010 by Mutant_Tractor

[BenchZowner]

Total lack of communication.

No will to consider things, at least think about it.

Paraphrasing what I said or coming to conclusions that I didn't come up with and saying that that's what I'm saying.

 

I give up.

[Mutant_Tractor]

Hey im not paraphrasing, any more than you are paraphrasing me,

I have thought about it and because you seem to think that you "cannot get" these CPUs anymore when clearly there are ones on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Intel-6-Cores-Gulftown-3-06G-ES-Unlocked-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ130376400533QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCPUs?hash=item1e5b09fe95

 

Q3QP if you want that instead of retail go ahead and its cheaper too.

[steponz]

Not everybody who sells these chips bins them on LN2, so just might get lucky.... Thats what I did.. I didn't know what a Q3FE was when I bought it.. and almost sold it and it has never hit LN2 since a couple days ago... 3D doesn't seem to have a cold bug, 2d did at -130 which i did get down to -150, still need to go lower to catch up with mr tin tin...

 

All we are saying bench is that they are available to buy and you choose not to buy one. So please stop saying you can't find them anywhere.

[BenchZowner]

I wonder what you'd be saying if you were scammed by a seller on ebay/craigslist/etc...

[Massman]

Same what I'd say when someone sold me a Porsche and sends me a Lada.

[Antinomy]

Massman, in my city the word u used in the end of your statement is equaled to a curse . Don't use it, please

You could just say an old VW.

[FatAlbert]

Same what I'd say when someone sold me a Porsche and sends me a Lada.

 

Ladas are good cars

 

eot

[Antinomy]

Go away, freak

[Monstru]

Actually Niva is a trusty car

[knopflerbruce]

Let's say Fiat Uno then:D

[Antinomy]

GAZ-66 is a trusty car. Kamaz, ural and kraz are too. But when we go from trucks to cars, Russian ones suck. That's why in my city it's hard to remember a week you've seen a Russian car (not a truck or heavy vehicle).

Well, let's stop offtoping or ask to split threads

[Mutant_Tractor]

+1 on what steponz said,

Just because you choose not to buy one doesnt mean they are not there BZ,

FWIW I have gotten rid of my Q3QP in the last 2 days,

Just because you are not willing to pay for a CPU doesnt mean they arent available BZ.

[BenchZowner]

Are you trying to convince yourself or the audience ?

Because I can't see myself taking part in this conversation anymore.

[Nanok]

I think ES should not be allowed, to be used on hwbot.

Like the TWKR it not available to all.

[Mutant_Tractor]

Unlike the TWKR the 980X ES's ARE available to everyone, some individuals however choose not to buy them and rather get the retail ones, fair enough but dont say that you cant get the chips therefore they should be banned because of your unwillingness to buy a chip with no warranty

[Gomeler]

Unlike the TWKR the 980X ES's ARE available to everyone, some individuals however choose not to buy them and rather get the retail ones, fair enough but dont say that you cant get the chips therefore they should be banned because of your unwillingness to buy a chip with no warranty

 

The sale of ES chips is technically illegal. So.. if cash exchanged hands then you are benching with what would be stolen property. Some people don't want to get mixed up in that.

[miahallen]

The sale of ES chips is technically illegal. So.. if cash exchanged hands then you are benching with what would be stolen property. Some people don't want to get mixed up in that.

 

The buyer does not sign any contract or nda, or other such legally binding contract Chris...now could it be that the chip is considerd "stolen"

 

It's the seller who is unethical, not the buyer IMHO.

[Massman]

I think legal actions can be taken if you buy stolen property, even if you don't know it's stolen.