SteveRo Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Not by now, maybe in the future, wait a few days by this. we being defined at this time the massive increase in this subtest (transp win) We are defining the many gray areas that have the PCMark, which is totally unsafe. But if you consider that a hack usstes to improve the final result (which is not allowed) and also the final score is very bulky for hardware that you have used, better remove. You SteveRo and I.M.O.G like S_A_V and anothers guys who were the best in this benchmark, by the hardware used, know what is right or wrong. you are the real Master of PCMark. You were the ones who always defended the continuation of this benchmark You know much more than me on this topic (always inside overclocking) I've learned to run this benchmark with cold, and another stuff, thanks to you, I.M.O.G and S_A_V Btw. we have removed the scores from the day 19.10.2012 which use the Text edit Tweak (cheat with script w/ .rft file in blanck ) only, try other than validated those ridiculous scores that were uploaded since that day, scores greater than 100,000 marks with microprocessor stock. That's totally ridiculous and difficult to defend by those who use the tweaks to trick overclockers. Good morning Mr. Sweet, The TW tweak that I was using was using non-OS s/w to minimize the transp. windows. Is this an illegal tweak? Not sure. All of my submissions since 09May used this tweak and I will delete them when so directed. edit - PM'd Master Pro with the tweak for his assessment. Edited October 24, 2012 by SteveRo
SteveRo Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Can you talk to the guy that bought my Areca 1882IX and 5x maxiops to give it back to me for the $1500 I sold it for? Ya, I took a $1K loss on that when the tweaks got crazy and I bailed on PCM05. I'm kidding about getting it back. The clarification is good, and I think it will give PCM05 a fighting chance. I feel your pain, I've sold four of my acards - can someone talk to the buyers and get them back for me? Oh, well.
Guest cowgut Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 good to hear from you james I hope you guys can save it i know you like it very much good luck and be well
SteveRo Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Good morning Master Pro, Much thanks for doing this for us, I just pm'd you my team's TW tweak, please take a look when you have a moment. Much thanks!
Crew pro Posted October 24, 2012 Crew Posted October 24, 2012 Steve what you were doing was the same as me and many others but theres no doubt that it's secirving the benchmark into giving a higher score by minimizing the windows I know for a fact that there are much nastier TW window tweaks but it is outside hwbot general rules do it must be removed Just do you guys know we will target the big obvious things first and progressively make our way down, but if you feel your own score is out of line save us the trouble and remove yourself
SteveRo Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Very good Mr. Pro, understood, I will inform my teammates and delete all my submissions that have used this tweak, thanks again for doing this for us. edit - I have deleted all of my submissions that used this tweak (10 total). I now have no pcm05 submissions since 09May. Edited October 24, 2012 by SteveRo
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 24, 2012 Crew Posted October 24, 2012 Put the two, powered by the AMD 12.8 raid driver at zero points, awaiting moderation... Massman has all the test results, conclusion : it is all in the format of the RAID setup... so if you can achieve it like Steve previously mentioned, with another soft it becomes sort of legal then ?
Crew Sweet Posted October 24, 2012 Author Crew Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Good morning Mr. Sweet Good morning (or afternoon for you Steve) Well ... Pro old Master of PCMark, more correctly can answer all questions, and maybe I (like overclocker or almost) to try to find out as you do for great scores, it's like turning back the clock and start squeezing Hardware. Again, all together will do overclock With This benchmark, I have lucky because you and I.M.O.G have sold your acards Welcome Pro at this thread !!! Edited October 24, 2012 by Sweet
Aristidis Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Good job Pro and good decisions, maybe from now on PCMark05 will became again a famous bench for a lot of people that they have stop benching.
SteveRo Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Put the two, powered by the AMD 12.8 raid driver at zero points, awaiting moderation... Massman has all the test results, conclusion : it is all in the format of the RAID setup... so if you can achieve it like Steve previously mentioned, with another soft it becomes sort of legal then ? Good Morning Master Leeghoofd - also for Mister's Pro and Sweet, I don't believe changing HDD sector size should be legal because it tricks the pcm05 benchmark into thinking the HDD subtests ran faster than it really did. The amd raid expert s/w isn't the only way to do this, it can be done easily with any setup amd or intel. To do this requires only one ssd - easy to get 9500+MB/s on just about anything except for 1x core - simply by increasing the drive sector size. For this reason I think we should NOT allow it. Edited October 24, 2012 by SteveRo
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 24, 2012 Crew Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) That's exactly my point Steve, if you format via the proposed 512 nothing happens... with 1-2-4K I saw some nice speed improvements in parts of some synthetic benchmarks, ofcourse nothing goes bezerk as PCM05. Conclusion in fact, it's not the RAID 12.8 that is bugged, it's PCMark05 that craps out when an out of the ordinary format is choosen... so in that point Moose's assumption is not correct. Proposition for future PCM05 submissions : MUST include a verification link... PS: spare the master Leeghoofd Steve I'm a complete nOOb at this game and even accused a long time ago some moderators of cheating ( Sorry mista Trevaskis, James still wants to kick butt me ) Edited October 24, 2012 by Leeghoofd
Moose83 Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Thanks for clearing all up!!! I hope too, that now more people come back to this lovely Benchmark:) Also its an very good thing to have an experienced mod that will moderate it neutral! I think ORB Link should be must have for each top 20 global now, like it was in the past:)
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 24, 2012 Crew Posted October 24, 2012 I vote for all submissions a link Moose, just to allow easier moderating...
Moose83 Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 No problem, its only 1 step more after Benchmark
Crew Sweet Posted October 24, 2012 Author Crew Posted October 24, 2012 I think ORB Link should be must have for each top 20 global now, like it was in the past And now too, any Global Top 20 must have a link thats ORB is mandatory, always. Proposition for future PCM05 submissions : MUST include a verification link... Imho Is necessary if you can see all subtest on screen ? But not a bad idea, it costs nothing to put the link to the ORB in all submissions of PcMark I vote for all submissions a link Moose, just to allow easier moderating... Yes sure
Moose83 Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Open after Benchmark pcm05 folder and open the result.txt file;) So you have each subtest on Screenshots:) I do so long time ago in every submit.
zafiropo Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Thanks for clearing all up!!! I think ORB Link should be must have for each top 20 global now, like it was in the past:) or at list a screensoot with result .text not only for top20 but for all submissions i think this is must for now on
Moose83 Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Agree:) put this in every submit, so everybody see it on the Screenshot.
IanCutress Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 okay guys let me weigh in on this, Thanks for your input! I agree with most of what you say, but there are conflicting statements that I would like to clear: FD2 as a program is totally allowed, but using it to manipulate the window size or minimize windows is not allowed, similarly using a script to do this is not allowed as it breaks the "benchmark percieved speed rule" BUT as with any benchmark, if you can do it via control panel such as personalization or registry then it SHOULD be allowed so take TW for example, if you can make the windows really small and change the text type in control panel then that is legal, Much like PowerToy, all F2D does is change the registry. Albeit on the fly like other additional tools you mention. But *anything that changes the size of the windows is illegal*. EVEN IF it can be done by the registry. Taken in isolation and out of context, several of those comments could justify one or the other. Then again, if someone programs into the registry to reduce the window size by 5% for a 5% boost (assuming it's linear), then that will be hard to spot. So Tweaks: Bob80's - YES Mouse Movement - YES Resizing windows (F2D or Registry) - NO IE Settings - YES AMD RaidXpert - YES (for now, new decision pending, may be retroactively removed) Changing Codecs in the directory - NO Changing Codecs outside the directory - ? Script to change files for Web Pages - NO Script to change files for Text Edit - NO D3DOverrider - YES Video Encoding via registry - YES LOD - YES Other registry tweaks - TO BE DISCUSSED BY ADMINS Scripts to change drive letters - YES Scripts to change CPU clock/cores - YES Forcing PC05 to look in other directories - NO Please feel free to add to this list if I am missing anything.
Yamunsa Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 So Tweaks: Bob80's - YES Mouse Movement - YES Resizing windows (F2D or Registry) - NO IE Settings - YES AMD RaidXpert - YES (for now, new decision pending, may be retroactively removed) Changing Codecs in the directory - NO Changing Codecs outside the directory - ? Script to change files for Web Pages - NO Script to change files for Text Edit - NO D3DOverrider - YES Video Encoding via registry - YES LOD - YES Other registry tweaks - TO BE DISCUSSED BY ADMINS Scripts to change drive letters - YES Scripts to change CPU clock/cores - YES Forcing PC05 to look in other directories - NO Please feel free to add to this list if I am missing anything. Audio Encoding via registry - YES
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 24, 2012 Crew Posted October 24, 2012 Is necessary if you can see all subtest on screen ? But not a bad idea, it costs nothing to put the link to the ORB in all submissions of PcMark That's just the thing Sweet, you don't see all details on the output. Unless you do as the guys proposed and do the output via a text file.
Mikecdm Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 I think that a lot of people were already showing the text file in their subs, along with links for top 20 and even mentioning storage. It was common practice among most, for a while. Showing the text file should be standard in the requirements for a screen shot in pcm05.
Moose83 Posted October 24, 2012 Posted October 24, 2012 Audio Encoding via registry - YES Haha, change an Codec via registry that is in pcm05 folder. Lol stop joking:) @Boranti, maybee you first delete your cheated runs before discuss Like 8core ranking, lol...
Crew Sweet Posted October 24, 2012 Author Crew Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) That's just the thing Sweet, you don't see all details on the output. Unless you do as the guys proposed and do the output via a text file. Clear, in all submission of PcMark05, must be all the subtests run with each final results, so, use result .txt file in the screen like a ORB link, both are valid. Always on the screen or the ORB link, everyone should be able to see the final score of each subtest. Mandatory For Top 20 Global link ORB is mandatory Edited October 24, 2012 by Sweet
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