Clarification in PCMark'05 about Tweaks // Tricks allowed

[IanCutress]

@Boranti, maybee you first delete your cheated runs before discuss

Like 8core ranking, lol...

 

At the time, the scores were valid and we've been waiting for formal clarification of what tweaks are valid or not. They will be going in due course, don't you worry.

 

Or maybe people being charged of crimes shouldn't be allowed to vote by your logic? Everyone still gets a voice, this is still an act in motion. I've been asking for a list of yes/no rather than the 'just use your head' arguement, because there will always be different interpretations (or misunderstandings about what certain programs do), but nothing came out in 24-48 hr so I decided to write my own. Again if there is anything to add to that list, please do so.

 

PS I'm all for the results.txt file being shown in all submissions from now on.

[Sweet]

@borandi

 

Tonight I edit the first post of this thread and add the list, as the comments of Pro

 

Edit: and this

 

Since October 24, 2012 -In all submission of PcMark05, must be all the subtests run with each final results, so, use result .txt file in the screen like a ORB link, both are valid.

Always on the screen or the ORB link, everyone should be able to see the final score of each subtest. Mandatory

 

For Top 20 Global link ORB is Mandatory

Edited October 24, 2012 by Sweet

[IanCutress]

Awesome thanks. When the majority is sorted, it's worth getting MM/Rich to update rules and make a front page post if necessary.

[Sweet]

Please if my writing is incorrect in english let me know, to fix

[Moose83]

One thing for me is still not clear... what about CSS in IE9?

http://en.wordpress.com/products/custom-css/

Edited October 24, 2012 by Moose83

[SteveRo]

I think futuremark link required for all top 20 (global or H/W) is a great idea. If we have that I reco we not require results.txt. Futuremark link or results.txt required for ALL submissions. Wadaya think?

[Moose83]

No problem, its only one Job more after Benchmark, just click save as:) I vote for it.

[GENiEBEN]

I think futuremark link required for all top 20 (global or H/W) is a great idea. If we have that I reco we not require results.txt. Futuremark link or results.txt required for ALL submissions. Wadaya think?

 

Wrapper includes subtest scores inside screenshot.

[Sweet]

I think futuremark link required for all top 20 (global or H/W) is a great idea. If we have that I reco we not require results.txt. Futuremark link or results.txt required for ALL submissions. Wadaya think?

 

Yes Steve Please Can you write correctly this in order that I edit the first post ? or any Guy with good writing in English ?

 

In spanish few ones are going to understand it

 

Thanks so much

 

Wrapper includes subtest scores inside screenshot.

 

Better , much better, Meanwhile, the previous stays in functions from this night, night for me, until the wrapper are ready.

 

Thanks by your clarification GEN, so shortly we will have unless problem

 

Edit:

 

Updated First post,

Edited October 24, 2012 by Sweet

[Gluvocio]

nice idea steve.

One can do also double screen showing what's under in 2nd subtest ( I mind topdog did it often ) it's important to show all subtests

I think this should be applied 1st at all on NEW submission... maybe people who made old submissions didn't thinked so.

 

Nice idea also for virus scan on intel

[Moose83]

2 Option for VS, ban AMD Bug driver or allow ramcaching on Intel.

Better 1. Option to keep all arecas here

[IanCutress]

Sweet - in the list of OK/NO, you have put video encoding as no. But Pro said:

 

Yes d3d, video encoding via registry or powertoy and LOD go against these rules, BUT they have been used and accepted as officially OK

[SteveRo]

Yes Steve Please Can you write correctly this in order that I edit the first post ? or any Guy with good writing in English ?

 

In spanish few ones are going to understand it

 

Thanks so much

 

 

 

Better , much better, Meanwhile, the previous stays in functions from this night, night for me, until the wrapper are ready.

 

Thanks by your clarification GEN, so shortly we will have unless problem

 

Edit:

 

Updated First post,

 

ok I'll take a crack at verbiage for the additional screen shot requirement, note - might not be needed if the wrapper includes this. -

 

1. "Futuremark link required for all top 20 submissions either global or hardware.

 

2. For all non-top 20 submissions either Futuremark link or Pcm05 Results.txt required via screen shot."

 

(This is a 1st cut, I'm sure others can improve on this).

[Sweet]

Thanks so much Steve i update first post with this now

[Sweet]

Sweet - in the list of OK/NO, you have put video encoding as no. But Pro said:

 

Sorry, my faul, correct now

 

Edit:

 

completely updated the first post

 

http://www.hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=59009

 

Thanks to SteveRo - borandi - Pro - Leeghoofd - Moose - zafiropo and GENiEBEN by your help :ws:

 

Ps: and till tomorrow, my wife call me for dinner

Edited October 25, 2012 by Sweet

[pro]

Thanks for your input! I agree with most of what you say, but there are conflicting statements that I would like to clear:

 

Much like PowerToy, all F2D does is change the registry. Albeit on the fly like other additional tools you mention.

 

But *anything that changes the size of the windows is illegal*. EVEN IF it can be done by the registry.

 

 

registry tweaks are always allowed by default, thats the general unwritten rule, but some have been deemed to be disallowed over the years because they decieve the benchmark too much, such as mipmap

 

i think we need to be understanding here, there can be no clear cut, one size fits all rule for benchmarking, there will always be anomolies,

 

lets take LOD for example, registry based or file based in the latest nvidia drivers, it DOES impact the visuals of the benchmark and does impact the end score, but it has been universally acccepted as OK,

 

this transparent window test, the whole point of the test is to see how fast those windows move across the screen, so by resizing or minimizing the windows you are decieving the benchmark and it does have a significant impact on the score, hence this is disallowed

 

i think we need to keep in perspective here, like any "sport", rules arnt just there to set a solid line that can NEVER be changed, rules are also there to be changed over the lifetime of the sport to keep things fair for all involved,

 

mate you have proven my point, by making that list of what is allowed/disallowed and answering nearly everything correctly,

 

most benchers are smart, they can work out if something is allowed in the benchmark based on the two key rules, if not, we will be here to answer grey areas, but please don't expect instant answers, we/i want to do this right and at times that will mean lengthy discussions between hwbot staff

[pro]

oh and of course, the ie9 css is not allowed, there is really no difference between replacing the web files and doing that CSS,

 

the benchmark is no longer rendering the data that it was designed to render, hence skewing the results,

 

so just to clarify IE9 CSS is not allowed

[Sweet]

oh and of course, the ie9 css is not allowed, there is really no difference between replacing the web files and doing that CSS,

 

the benchmark is no longer rendering the data that it was designed to render, hence skewing the results,

 

so just to clarify IE9 CSS is not allowed

 

Done , add in the first post

[Yamunsa]

thank you so much for this guys. everything is much more clear and i look forward to passing a few runs and moving forward with pc05

[Moose83]

oh and of course, the ie9 css is not allowed, there is really no difference between replacing the web files and doing that CSS,

 

the benchmark is no longer rendering the data that it was designed to render, hence skewing the results,

 

so just to clarify IE9 CSS is not allowed

 

Thanks for clearing this up pro:)

So lets play pcm05 in an normal way again Guys:)

Hope really to see more people coming back;)

[DopeLex]

I will also begin again with benching PCM - much Thx to the Stuff and to anybody who helped to clarify the whole situation about tweaks, i really appreciate this.

 

Regards DopeLex

[_mat_]

2 thumbs up for your efforts, boys! Very much appreciated ...

[Moose83]

The hardest work now is deleting all this scores. When i deleted my scores, after each deleted submit a new dropped in the ranking

[Crash01ita]

I have read all 3d and first post, i have removed my all scores (18)

I have used some "NO" so, i prefer delete all

[Moose83]

@Pro, your 80k+ TW was this done with flash 2 Desktop? Or only registry:)