K404

Technically that rules out SPi though? As for speed...the slower the better. We need marathons as well as sprints for benching. SPi 1M is the first bench tried under LN2, lets be honest. We need bigger challenges not smaller ones.

That wasnt meant to sound like im showing off. I just never appreciated the volume of competition for the category.

When you put it like that, Im really lucky to be ranked top 20 for the Q66 in SPi32M, wP 1024 and 32 as well as PCM05

Q66 is a submissions monster- easily most popular category on HWB

I know i've asked about this before but please can we discuss it again? Its possible to have 300+++ points without having a single top 5 result (no silverware) and its also possible to have 50++ gold cups without having hardware master status. There is obviously a crossover but they are noticeably different disciplines to some extent. I think it would be fair to award all the titles that someone has achived. Some guys have hundreds of top 5 results and some have hundreds of golds! To me that deserves a title of some kind, but most of them come under the blanket of hardware master, which although IS good, doesn't tell the full story. Any opinions? K

Ideally the 9800GTX and GTX+ are on different tech nodes, same as 9800GT Vs 8800GT but some + cards are shipped with older cores. I've yet to have a 9800GT with a 55nm core....

Heres one for you...you've spent a lot of time with the 7900GS, GT, 7950GT PCBs? Have you had a lot of trouble with vGDDR? I've killed 7 cards (6 instantly) from attempting above stock voltages on the RAM. 3 cards did alright- same PCB design. Its been the bane of my benching life.

watercooling is enough My runs were at 2.05V but the RAM is the bottleneck I reckon so the extra MHz of a GLH do real damage in 3D01, 03 and AM3. [OT] I cant remember my 01 setup, might have been scrappy but I didnt think Mr Alibabar would beat me with so much less on the CPU

Ah. ok, that does things slightly but overall I think my point should stick

I think you're proving my point. The 7800GT 512MB cards ALL have a higher spec RAM bin in the same way as the 7800GTX 256MB Vs 512MB. Therefore its not really fair to compare the two side by side. The stock (RAM) speed of the GT 512MB is pretty much the same as the max OC of the GT 256MB. Do you want no separation of cards based on performance clock to clock, or at stock speeds or what? There are too many examples I could give against your arguement. This isnt a case of a lucky card. ANY 512MB 7800GT will perform better. Its clear and defineable, not just luck of the draw like good or crap RAM on an 8800GT 512MB for example.

How many vendors released the rarer 1GB versions of popular cards that have their own category on HWB? Realistically...the same ones, but there is still distinction. Mainly wrong. The RAM volume and RAM placement/routing is the only difference. The fundamental PCB, PWM and cooling are the same. There are 7800GTX 256MB cards with the 2-slot cooler...classing cards by cooling is not worth discussing Irrelevant. Same arguement as the first comment I answered Not sure what you are getting at here. If you think there should only be one category per card then a lot.. A LOT of categories need to go. The 7800GT example is one thats been missed according to HWB category separation. To say the situation should not be changed means that a lot of other things need to go to keep HWBs approach consistent. We could extend the idea of not caring about memory size...lets group by a cards eqipment and tech size: 7900GT 256MB, 7900GT 512MB, 7900GTX, 7900GT0, 7950GT (which also has 256MB and 512MB versions which arent separated on HWB)...should we lump them all into one category seeing as the RAM volumes and PCB designs are the only difference worth discussing?

The higher speed RAM is on all 7800GT 512MB,so there is a clear and consistent difference. If you buy a 7800GT 512MB it will perform better. SAV I think your reasoning makes no sense. Why are there separate categories for the 7800GTX 512MB? The 7900GS and 7900GT 512MB cards? 8800GT 256, 512MB and 1GB cards etc etc etc K

Theres a higher RAM bin on the 512MB cards, the 256MB doesnt stand a hope in hell against it.

Can the 7800GT have an extra class added for the 512MB cards? The RAM is significantly better on them so gets an advantage over the 256MB cards. Plenty other cards with extra categories for different RAM volumes where the difference is smaller. Yes, I have a vested interest in this one as Im ranked with the 7800GT (256) and am being beaten by some 512MB scores Cheers, K

Please can that be written and stated in the HWB rules? Unwritten rules arent rules if it comes down to it....

Well im screwed now coz I essentially just admitted to it in advance (unless its made clear that this in unacceptable, in which case I will not do it. 9800GT and 8800GT is just the same...as well as some of the 6800 series but those are different stories. I have a 9800GT here thats 65nm and A2 silicon. I got "screwed" on the package. Clockspeeds will probably be about the same...so so will my scores. Why cant ATI and nV make things more clear cut?

We all know they are the same card and nV just reflashed the name ID. If we did the same, can we submit results for both categories from one card? My gut feeling is"no" but because its an nV oddity...... may as well ask.

well...all questions over results start with "I think" sometimes scores just dont look right for the hardware or clocks. Maybe the phrasing is different because of language barriers, im pointing that out, not having a go at anyone

Hey Philly Boy! Tell Fugger we dont wanna see him online for a few days once XS is back up. I can only imagine the stress hes had over the last week- Tell him to go hit the 'Strip an forget about things for a bit

http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?hardwareId=GPU_1474&name=GeForce+GTS+250+(48) Im going after the 9800GTX+. I hope your benching goes well

dude...its already up!

Would it be a good idea to have a graph of a users hardware points progression as well as their global? I think it would look pretty cool and it would let folk who focus more on hardware than global points to still show off their work. Its a bit hisheartening to add e.g. 200 points to a total and have the graph not jump K

Yea...voltmods are not only done on XS VR-Zone..Benchtec....TechPowerUp.....I4M.....OCX.....

The obvious thing would be an extension Vince aint stupid, the compo will be fine

3DM03 AFAIK thats still barred. I hope so!!!