Mythical tech Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) So this might be a stupid idea but if you were to make a mounting bracket for a ln2 pot for a phase change unit you could bring the temperature of the pot down to save on ln2 use. If anyone has tried this or has any insight into this let me know. Edited August 20, 2019 by Mythical tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraRaptor Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Not that smart. Once you proceed with ln2 you will then cool evaporator of ss together with the ln2 pot or leave uninsulated piece of the pot if you unattach the evap off the pot after pre-cooling. Saving say 1L of ln2 is not worth all the issues you may have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 I know it's not that smart but for me I can only get 10 liters of ln2 20 if I am lucky so saving 1-2L using a cascade to pre chill can save about 10% of my ln2 available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 just a thought or suggestion why cant you have your pot insulated and ready to mount, then whack it in the freezer for an hour or so, that should take it to -10c at least, my freezer goes to -20c easily, have your system all ready prior to that for boot up , wipe the bottom clean, paste the cpu , fit the pot ,boot then ln2, the pot has enough residual cold in it for the cpu to draw on so no harm will come to it on boot up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unityofsaints Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 If you have a head on the cascade that's small enough to go inside the pot it could work. If you're really that limited for LN2 I'd also suggest getting the most economical pot possible - i.e. stay away from F1 and T-Rex, something like a Venom or homemade pot would be better. Also learn the best pouring / glazing techniques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 I have a venom and a dark pot and for gpu I have a homemade pot and a slim. I don't have a car so I am limited to the amount of liquid nitrogen that I am willing to carry about two miles. I have thought about doing the cross mod with a cnc to the venom but I don't want to damage it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraRaptor Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ozzie said: just a thought or suggestion why cant you have your pot insulated and ready to mount, then whack it in the freezer for an hour or so, that should take it to -10c at least, my freezer goes to -20c easily, have your system all ready prior to that for boot up , wipe the bottom clean, paste the cpu , fit the pot ,boot then ln2, the pot has enough residual cold in it for the cpu to draw on so no harm will come to it on boot up Won't work properly - water condensates quickly and one can't wipe it completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 that depends on your ambient temperature at the time, a high ambient , sure you "could" run into this issue, all that has to be wiped is the pot base, if your board is set ready to go, you apply the paste to cpu , then straight from the freezer , wiped pot base and mount the pot i see no reason for condensation have the time to form , what a couple of minutes at most to mount and set the pot , boot then apply ln2, it will work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0ud_sil3nc3 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 This is counterintuitive to use a better cooling method to cool a worse cooling method. If your going to use phase use phase, and if your going to use LN2 just use LN2. Only person I have seen do this or something is similar is @FUGGER, and I always wondered why when he had the best LN2 price at the time ($0.38 a liter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, l0ud_sil3nc3 said: This is counterintuitive to use a better cooling method to cool a worse cooling method. If your going to use phase use phase, and if your going to use LN2 just use LN2. Only person I have seen do this or something is similar is @FUGGER, and I always wondered why when he had the best LN2 price at the time ($0.38 a liter). More of a stupid thought than something I plan on doing but getting a pot down 130c bellow ambient would save a lot of ln2 for a heavy pot. I was paying 10$L for ln2 before so it would have made a big difference but I am getting it for 1.20L now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0ud_sil3nc3 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 58 minutes ago, Mythical tech said: More of a stupid thought than something I plan on doing but getting a pot down 130c bellow ambient would save a lot of ln2 for a heavy pot. I was paying 10$L for ln2 before so it would have made a big difference but I am getting it for 1.20L now Pot really depends on the platform your benching, but paying $10/liter is just getting ripped off. That's the highest I've ever heard of anyone paying for a liter. Glad to hear you're at a much lower price now I've not touched the phase since I went LN2 and have no desire to mess with it. It's loud, hot and provides temps that are really only good for alleviating IMC strain for binning memory. For benching competitively it's useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, l0ud_sil3nc3 said: Pot really depends on the platform your benching, but paying $10/liter is just getting ripped off. That's the highest I've ever heard of anyone paying for a liter. Glad to hear you're at a much lower price now I've not touched the phase since I went LN2 and have no desire to mess with it. It's loud, hot and provides temps that are really only good for alleviating IMC strain for binning memory. For benching competitively it's useless. I never actually paid 10$ that is just what airgas quoted me originally. The local welding shop just reopened so cheaper ln2 is now available to me again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l0ud_sil3nc3 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Mythical tech said: I never actually paid 10$ that is just what airgas quoted me originally. The local welding shop just reopened so cheaper ln2 is now available to me again. Understand, I think MikeG had a receipt uploaded from Airgas showing $0.38 floating around here somewhere maybe try to find it and get your price dropped even lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, l0ud_sil3nc3 said: Understand, I think MikeG had a receipt uploaded from Airgas showing $0.38 floating around here somewhere maybe try to find it and get your price dropped even lower. Funsoul gave me a few receipts for less than a dollar but my local airgas refused to match any price and they said the lowest price they could do was 8$L if I got 100+L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUGGER Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) Idea works, I did it. Edited February 10, 2020 by FUGGER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 1:09 PM, FUGGER said: Idea works, I did it. Is this ss to pre-cool for ln2 or is it ss cooled with ln2 to go colder than -196c? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUGGER Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 This is to take me from -110c (cascade) towards -190c as I am fighting against the cascade I would never be able to hit max LN2 temp unless I turned off the cascade. One thing that worked really well was recovering from the cold boot range quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 spend $1k+ to have someone build you an SS that does -100c so you can use 20L of ln2 at a time does not sound like a good idea. hunt around and you will find Ln2 cheaper, tell them whats its for and you are a hobbyist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Ah, what would make more sense for me going on this idea is to have a "cascade" (or SS depending how you want to call it) where you have a single compressed stage, and basically one stage is a ln2 pot to cool the other stage for sub ln2 temps. it may be cheaper than lhe if the system is durable enough for binning so perhaps could be worth for max freq valid or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumo Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just make it simple. Use phase to bin rams, get to know your cpu imc and at the same time try to find basic mobo settings for specific bench...Then go all out with ln2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, dumo said: Just make it simple. Use phase to bin rams, get to know your cpu imc and at the same time try to find basic mobo settings for specific bench...Then go all out with ln2 I find phase really useful for 775 and haswell because it is so close to the cold bug you can find the max of the chip fairly reliably for less money than getting ln2 to do testing. It is also nice to run the cpu on cascade or single stage to do testing with gpus on dice or ln2 to get a feeling for the gpu without having to worry about they cpu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUGGER Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Splave said: spend $1k+ to have someone build you an SS that does -100c so you can use 20L of ln2 at a time does not sound like a good idea. hunt around and you will find Ln2 cheaper, tell them whats its for and you are a hobbyist. A SS that does -100c ?? A cascade will set you back a few thousand I didn't push that it was practical, just possible. Edited February 11, 2020 by FUGGER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUGGER Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I would not try SS with LN2, it might be possible but its still not known how the gas and oil will "flog" going so far beyond its operating range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I'll admit I'm fairly new to SS/Cascade game from the technical side but surely there'd be a gas made to compress at the kind of temperatures you'd get as well as a compressor and oil that will work with it? I'll admit I'm well beyond what I know here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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