Team Cup 2022 Planning Thread

[yosarianilives]

So I've noticed that with previous comps where there was a planning thread Alby often basically uses all the ideas in thread and still has to make some up. So I decided to sit down with several other benchers and try to come up with as big a list of ideas as possible. Anyways here it is and hopefully it inspires others to come up with even more ideas so Alby has plenty to choose from. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dq3v4Du_cSHn5QfNBVSN47CtWLMpdzPD-iNAxPTs43M/edit?usp=sharing

[unityofsaints]

First order of business I guess would be to decide if we keep the DDR/2/3/4 format and add DDR5 as another sub-comp or is it time to restructure? i'm not sure what's the best approach but I think it needs to be discussed.

[TAGG]

2 hours ago, unityofsaints said:

First order of business I guess would be to decide if we keep the DDR/2/3/4 format and add DDR5 as another sub-comp or is it time to restructure? i'm not sure what's the best approach but I think it needs to be discussed.

I feel like full on DDR5 stage wouldn't be a good idea this year because there will likely only be one platform from one manufacturer eligible, but i am in favour of doing some DDR5 stuff, just not nearly as much as the other 4 mem types.

[yosarianilives]

Yeah Imho maybe do 1, 2, 3, 4 categories then a section of misc that can have stages like max freq 1, 2, 3, 4

[Leeghoofd]

It's Team Cup, DDR5 platforms are part of it now. Current DDR X format will be used too.

 

[yosarianilives]

I know a lot is on the plate with Intel comps rn, but can we shoot for dates of Aug 1 through Sept 30? It doesn't matter for event planning for me but might be a good idea to set a start date well ahead of time so you don't have to rush create it like 2 weeks before it starts

[yosarianilives]

Also would love to see more stage suggestions from non ocn guys

[Tech Tested]

I think a category for every 64bit AMD CPU gen and every Intel CPU gen would be cool. 

Also, a "bottleneck" category for 3d. Like tri-GPU in firestrike with a single core CPU.

 

[Mr.Scott]

TC is becoming too much like CC IMO. Lets see more older hardware and some oddball stuff.

Think outside the box.

Edited June 30, 2022 by Mr.Scott

[Antinomy]

1 hour ago, Mr.Scott said:

Lets see more older hardware and some oddball stuff.

Old hw and oddball - I'm all in for it! I don't like when you start to improvise and think of an unusual setup but it's called cutting the corners and gets prohibited. I personally think that weird rigs is part of the fun. Unlike running tens of same configs.

Edited June 30, 2022 by Antinomy

[yosarianilives]

Absolutely, hopefully some people can suggest some more legacy stages, my knowledge ends with amd ddr2 and Ddr3 basically 

[Mr.Scott]

Dogpile sucks. Don't even suggest it. 

[MachineLearning]

Something with nVidia chipsets could be fun. Maybe highest reference frequency for nForce 4, 5xx, 6xx, 7xx, for AMD and Intel seperately.

Or a random benchmark such as sPi 32m nVidia chipset only, divided AMD / Intel.

[Antinomy]

CPU limited 3D01 test like 3DMark 2001SE socket 7 or 370.
Cinebench 2003 SDRAM all in (Xeons not allowed).
% ref clock (478/775)
Super Pi 32M VIA CPU.
3DMark05 3rd party iGPU (non Intel, ATI/AMD, NV)

[Leeghoofd]

Early configuration started

[yee245]

Here's my input. While I kind of like that the Intel DDR3 stage is a relatively uncommon LGA 1156 socket stage, could an alternative option be some sort of benchmark that is something like "4 submissions with different core counts", potentially excluding Coffee Lake and/or Xeons? You have the plenty of common dual and quad core CPUs, but then you also kind of force the need to use one of the HEDT platforms like X58 and X79 for their 6-core i7 options, and then for the 1-core, teams would then need to just source a G440/G460/G465/G470 (they're not particularly expensive or hard to find).

Or, perhaps, something similar in one of the TBA stages for DDR3 Memory stages, rather than AMD DDR3? Perhaps something like a "4 submissions from different Intel sockets" or something, again possibly excluding Coffee Lake. I'm not sure if there's some benchmark that scales nicely with memory bandwidth, such that the triple and quad channel configurations from X58 and X79 would be beneficial over the standard dual channel configurations, while also not explicitly requiring them (because there are enough different Intel sockets using DDR3).

I was just trying to think of ways to maybe try to get the older Intel HEDT platforms into the mix.

[Mr.Scott]

I would do either of those for sure. 

[TheRealKiwi]

https://hwbot.org/competition/TC2022Mem/stage/5522_gpupi_for_cpu_-_1b_-_ddr4_-_amd

Memory Stage 2 (DDR4, AMD, GPUPI)
"Use 3 different CPU Sockets and memory types"

should be "use 3 different CPUs", i'm right?

[Leeghoofd]

Nothing is final, currently it is still in a very raw layout. Anyway we got Inputs to make that stage based on different cpu cores/families.

Feel free to discus changes/improvements, we are open for suggestions 

[mr.paco]

I do know its not very popular

Any chance of adding a Multi-Socket CPU stage or two? Legacy &/or modern, Intel &/or AMD to allow Xeons & Opterons to play too ?

But must be ran with hardware on hand not via remote

[yosarianilives]

3 hours ago, TheRealKiwi said:

https://hwbot.org/competition/TC2022Mem/stage/5522_gpupi_for_cpu_-_1b_-_ddr4_-_amd

Memory Stage 2 (DDR4, AMD, GPUPI)
"Use 3 different CPU Sockets and memory types"

should be "use 3 different CPUs", i'm right?

I like it as is, so you would do ryzen, fx, athlon 64 for example.

[yosarianilives]

43 minutes ago, mr.paco said:

I do know its not very popular

Any chance of adding a Multi-Socket CPU stage or two? Legacy &/or modern, Intel &/or AMD to allow Xeons & Opterons to play too ?

But must be ran with hardware on hand not via remote

Not sure if it's a good idea or not, but I don't mind playing with my 2011-1 e7 xeon box. 

[Jumper118]

Any excuse to use the Sr2 even if we come last

[MachineLearning]

In my opinion, the iGPU category should have a minor swap: Night Raid for DDR4 and Sky Diver for DDR3.

The former being DX12 and the latter being DX11, all Terascale APUs and most (if not all?) Intel DDR3 IGPs are excluded as things currently stand.

[Leeghoofd]

Swapped for Cloudgate (DDR3) and NightRaid (DDR4)