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Stelaras - RDRAM @ 643.6MHz - 4407 MB/s AIDA64 - Memory Read
TASOS replied to George_o/c's topic in Result Discussions
Very good score ... very good. -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 5 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
Doesnt really matter , because i believe all participants will use 6xxx series to compete. But for typical reasons , the rule for this round applies to all gen cards up to 6xxx series. -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 4 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
I can take a wild guess , that some people may have to work too many hours sometimes , to provide to their families ? No time for football. -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 5 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
Wallpaper for round 5 1280х1024 5 round 1920x1200 5 round By @alexmaj467 -
My answer is not specifically for you , just my personal thoughts and just happened to grab your quotes. After 25 years of having overclocking as a hobby , i can say in the most emphatic way , that "when benchmarking was discovered , it instantly killed the pure romance of overclocking" When mass overclocking started , it was all about having more speed (free speed) to our pc's. When Benchmarking started , it was all about making software produce higher numbers. When competitive benchmarking started , it was all about tricking software to produce higher scores ... scores without real life usage. That's my 2 or 5 or 10 cents , expressed very simplified.
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I dont know if my writing is correct this way , but isnt that ? ... "The best things in life , are the simple ones"
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When you remove a benchmark , like lets say UCBench or PcMark ... or whatever , you do it for a reason. Because the benchmark is vulnerable not bullet proof or for any other reason. Example Team A , benches legally with default settings and gets as top spot , rank 100 and team B benches with altered batch size and gets ranking 1 ... is that consided fair ? You wanna keep TPP for such cases ? When a benchmark is out of hwbot point system ... its out , period. Keep the position rankings for history purposes , but deleted all kind of points. I agree with you.
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The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 4 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
@ZFeSS Old heatsink nightmare !!! I've seen that happen before (it can be repaired though). I always heat as much as i can , before trying to remove old such type of heatsinks. Do you know if, that was an original manufacturer compound or an aftermarket one ? I ask cause back in the days we used to make our own compounds , using epoxy in the mix. -
This fix should be given a higher priority Cause it affects Team Rankings a lot. Can you link here the other (besides UCBench) bench ranks , you spotted ?
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@richba5tard Does UCBench 2011 , still contribute points to the Team total ? http://hwbot.org/benchmark/ucbench_2011/
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The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
You mean , there is no difference , becides the 150 Mhz GAP , between them (which is a huge speed for that cpu generation) ? Since you two both agree (three in fact , cause GRIFF "liked" your posts) , and of course you have valid proof to do so. I am sure that you have hard evidence and industry spec sheets to back up what you are writing. Do you ? Except if ... You think , that the silicon is the same , because AMD kept the same manufacturing process at 0.18 micron. Do you think , that the manufacturer doesnt change it's silicon when they proceed to produce different core revisions ? I assume you know , that in fact we had 3 core revisions , being A1 , A2 and A3 (that was never picked up correctly from software , cause of same cpuid of 622). Do you really believe that the silicon remains the same ? When A1 revision straggle to overcome the 850 limit (overclocked) When A2 revision gets a factory speed of 850 and overclocks an other 100Mhz more When A3 revision gets at factory speed of 1000 and overclocks an other 100Mhz After what i wrote you , do you still believe that the silicon is the same ? ... and all different marks are just marketing names ??? Please allow me to have very good knowledge of the era and cpu specs , cause i lived it. When i decided to put up this Round and pick the Argon and Pluto cores ... i knew exactly what to expect. No fooling around. Sad but true (once again written). While most people like to walk in a straight line , there are a very-very few , that prefer to find their way around things. Play dumb and by-pass. I feel good with my self and i can sleep calm at night. I did what i had to do. Scott is not the only one that tells me to end this , cause it's better for all. Others do so , also. So this is my last post in this thread. I wont "shut the door" to on going pm convertations , new or old ones though. Cheers to all , and lets move to the next Round ?️ -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
I clearly made my point here in this thread. All old-timers know what i was talking about (no need to hide behind our finger). I have nothing more to add. I stand strong behind everything i wrote till now. Some people are fair all the way ... some are not. Sad but true ... honesty is something , you cant buy. -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
Oh , so there are Orion cores soldered into Pluto models , after all ??? Who asked you , to present us , an other cpu (than the original 800 pluto ... the initial one) ? You just confirmed yourself , in the most positive , the most emphatic way ... that you dont know the real meaning of PLUTO CORE. My initial strong feeling about you , using an Orion core , instead of a real Pluto , has proven more than true. I dont know how many cpu's you have and i dont care anymore. Still waiting for the original pictures and the plastic cover of the initial 800 pluto. You could have provided the pictures asked by me in just 5 minutes. But as you already wrote , you chose to ignored me. You chose not to do that , by trying to change the subject in this thread ... By answering by your own , that your Orion 950 was burnt , even though nobody asked you about it. All you wanted was , to buy some time. From now on , you are listed in my category of "grain of salt" people (Scotty is this written right ?) Also you have to know , that it was not actually me , asking the extra proof. It's the competition moderation team asking , they were informed from day 1 about it. In very few words. I will ask the moderation team , to request from you ... this 800 PLUTO , doing 1149 Mhz on Air (custom) http://hwbot.org/submission/3855542_ @Leeghoofd To be sent , to replicate the result to : @InfraRed (Bulgaria) or @Kotori (Japan) or @Strunkenbold (Germany) or @Stelaras (Greece). Ohh and find that original plastic cover of the initial 800 Pluto. When and if someone of the above trusted persons , verifies that your 800 Pluto , can run 1149 Mhz on Air (custom) , i will apologize to you in public. .- -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
I will write you my opinion and my personal knowledge , since you mentioned some facts about the Pluto cores. Yes , many of the low rated Athlon models , have other cores soldered inside them. I have personally seen with my eyes , cores marked us Pluto 700 and 750 , into 600 models (i have one of those). I also have a Pluto 650 with A2 revision core , which is not logical since the A2 revision was introduced with the higher binned Pluto of 800 & 850 (mostly) As a personal knowledge of that era (Athlon Slot A) , i know that the Pluto cores did have a top bench-able speed of 1000 to 1050. Their scaling in cold temperatures was poor. That max top speed at benches was extended further , with the introduce of the Orion cores , by an other 50 Mhz. Consider at this point , that in our case , we are talking about a sample of Pluto 800 at +50% speed 400Mhz is enormous for that cpu gen. When @GRIFF submitted his results with a Pluto 800 , my first thoughts were , that his pcb had a downgraded Orion core. ok , he got lucky (i thought). But right after he published his 2k1 result , i noticed the absence of certain resistors on specific places. Since he wrote by himself , that he doesnt own a GFD , i instantly got skeptical about it. So the most logical thing , was to ask about it. ... and that's exactly what i did. I asked him about the 10X multi issue from the screenshot ... never got a reply. That is why i asked him the front and rear photo's of the cpu-pcb he used. -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
I dont have to talk to any moderator. I am talking to you directly ... and i asked you a very simple thing. It's in your hands to do it or not. -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
You dont understand , and perhaps thats because of the English language we are using , and it's not our native language for both of us. I did not questioned your results and your actual cpu speed. Yes , you actually achieved that cpu speed and results. I asked you to provide some specific screenshot , to make sure for the cpu , you used. Your own screenshot , on 2k1 result is this , ok ? http://hwbot.org/submission/3855155_ Tell me how you managed 10x multi , without a resistor at R122 ? Now this is one of your spi 1M results (which was originally declared as other cpu type ... and then edited to Pluto 800). http://hwbot.org/submission/3854708_ As a pure coincidence that result had a 9.5x multi , which by pure luck matches your 950 Orion (but thats only a coincidence). http://hwbot.org/submission/3550471_griff_superpi___1m_athlon_950_(orion_slot_a)_2min_19sec_941ms Now , for your 800 pluto to get a 9.5X multi , means that you have moved for this result the following R121 R122 R123 R124 R156 R157 R158 R3 R5 R6 Am i right ? Lets sum up with some portion of humor. You have overcome the cpu speed (using a Pluto Core) , of every known entry in various historic databases and my personal memories also. You have overcome the well known minimal cold scaling of Pluto cores and you achieved a +50% @1200 You have reached the top binned Orion Core , overclocked speed area. And i ask. When you see a VW Beetle reaching a 200 mile top speed , and the owner says "it's on stock motor" .... then the first thing to ask ? "pop up the hood" That is exactly what i did in your case. I am being skeptical with your results , and i asked to see the actual pcb of this 8th wonder of the world , Pluto 800. Just two good res pictures , would do (front and back pcb) That simple. Your video is no good to me. Gives me nothing of the clues i seek. -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 4 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
Thanks We are ready to go. In fact , Scott is already there -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 4 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
Stage 3 , with Aida64 Memory Read , we'll open soon. There is a minnor system bug. Be patient. -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
@GRIFF Can you please verify the exact settings used , with your cpu , in this round ? Write down please , voltage , cache divider , multi. Also for verification purposes (to complete as soon as possible) you can post the cpu pcb photographs now , and post later the photo of your plastic cover , when you find it. Thanks -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 4 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
@alexmaj467 Wallpaper for round 4 , my friend -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
GRIFF With all due respect , i would like to ask you (regarding your latest submissions) , to provide in this thread , clear photo's of both sides of your cpu pcb. Along with the sticker on board the pcb and the prints from the black plastic cover of the cpu. -
The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread
TASOS replied to TASOS's topic in HWBOT Competitions
Something is wrong with Osibs. There are 20 minutes left ... but the results dont take part to the competition ? ... and team page shows the end of round , approx. 37min ago.