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    HWBOT Rev7.1 point recalculation in progress

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, avalanche said:

    200 thousand regular overclockers loose points personal & team for doing the right thing

     

     

    40 minutes ago, avalanche said:

    General writing.

     

    My answer is not specifically for you , just my personal thoughts and just happened to grab your quotes.

    After 25 years of having overclocking as a hobby , i can say in the most emphatic way , that "when benchmarking was discovered , it instantly killed the pure romance of overclocking"

    When mass overclocking started , it was all about having more speed (free speed) to our pc's.

    When Benchmarking started , it was all about making software produce higher numbers.

    When competitive benchmarking started , it was all about tricking software to produce higher scores ... scores without real life usage.

     

    That's my 2 or 5 or 10 cents , expressed very simplified.

    :)

     

    HWBOT Rev7.1 point recalculation in progress

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    1 hour ago, Strunkenbold said:

    Agree here. Very good point.

    Those things turned out as way too complex to handle. The rankings are now broken for years. It's time that we return to something easy.

    You should realize that the moment when you hire a math genius to develop an ultra complex formula is a fail. Those things have always to be easy and understandable.

     

    I dont know if my writing is correct this way , but isnt that ? ... "The best things in life , are the simple ones"

     

    HWBOT Rev7.1 point recalculation in progress

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    10 hours ago, richba5tard said:

    You guys are correct, the team power points are calculated no matter whether the application is marked as global/hw points or not. It has been so since conception of TPP though... shall I change this or not?

    When you remove a benchmark , like  lets say UCBench or PcMark ... or whatever , you do it for a reason.

    Because the benchmark is vulnerable not bullet proof or for any other reason.

    Example

    Team A , benches legally with default settings and gets as top spot , rank 100 and team B benches with altered batch size and gets ranking 1 ... is that consided fair ?

    You wanna keep TPP for such cases ?

    When a benchmark is out of hwbot point system ... its out , period.

    Keep the position rankings for history purposes , but deleted all kind of points.

    10 hours ago, Noxinite said:

    Surely if the bench has been judged to be unsuitable for user points, then it would also be unsuitable for team points?

    I agree with you.

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    HWBOT Rev7.1 point recalculation in progress

    in HWBOT News

    Posted · Edited by TASOS

    7 hours ago, Noxinite said:

    Also, it looks like all the benches which don't give user points are still giving team power points.

    This fix should be given a higher priority

    Cause it affects Team Rankings a lot.

    Can you link here the other (besides UCBench) bench ranks , you spotted ?

     

     

    The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread

    in HWBOT Competitions

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    10 hours ago, max1024 said:

    There is no Orion die, there is a Pluto which is identical to the previous one. Orion is purely a marketing name for models 900-1000 MHz, so Pluto=Orion, so => there is no difference in silicon.

    You mean , there is no difference , becides the 150 Mhz GAP , between them (which is a huge speed for that cpu generation) ?

    10 hours ago, Gumanoid said:

    I agree with you. Pluto and Orion is a same core and no difference in silicon.

    Since you two both agree (three in fact , cause GRIFF "liked" your posts) , and of course you have valid proof to do so.

    I am sure that you have hard evidence and industry spec sheets to back up what you are writing.

    Do you ?

     

    Except if ...

    You think , that the silicon is the same , because AMD kept the same manufacturing process at 0.18 micron.

     

    Do you think , that the manufacturer doesnt change it's silicon when they proceed to produce different core revisions ?

    I assume you know , that in fact we had 3 core revisions , being A1 , A2 and A3 (that was never picked up correctly from software , cause of same cpuid of 622).

     

    Do you really believe that the silicon remains the same ?

    When A1 revision straggle to overcome the 850 limit (overclocked)

    When A2 revision gets a factory speed of 850 and overclocks an other 100Mhz more

    When A3 revision gets at factory speed of 1000 and overclocks an other 100Mhz

     

    After what i wrote you , do you still believe that the silicon is the same ? ... and all different marks are just marketing names ???

     

    Please allow me to have very good knowledge of the era and cpu specs , cause i lived it.

    When i decided to put up this Round and pick the Argon and Pluto cores ... i knew exactly what to expect.

    No fooling around.

     

    Sad but true (once again written).

    While most people like to walk in a straight line , there are a very-very few , that prefer to find their way around things.

    Play dumb and by-pass.

     

    I feel good with my self and i can sleep calm at night.

    I did what i had to do.

     

    Scott is not the only one that tells me to end this , cause it's better for all.

    Others do so , also.

     

    So this is my last post in this thread.

    I wont "shut the door" to on going pm convertations , new or old ones though.

     

    Cheers to all , and lets move to the next Round

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    The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread

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    9 hours ago, GRIFF said:

    With your research you just wanted to show that I'm a cheater that used a cpu not allowed. That's exactly why I ignored all your photo questions and made the video showing that I have one (or more) cpu that I am able to get to 1200mhz. Everything else does not matter because I took pictures when I put cpu with 9.5 multiplier (done 3 times at different times). 

    Also you have not even apologized for your wrong thoughts about me. 

    I attach videos and photos of another 800 pluto (or orion 900) capable of reaching 1200mhz. See serial numbers.

     

    20180518_205645.jpg

    20180518_205538.jpg

     

    Oh , so there are Orion cores soldered into Pluto models , after all ??? 

     

    Who asked you , to present us , an other cpu (than the original 800 pluto ... the initial one) ?

     

    You just confirmed yourself , in the most positive , the most emphatic way ... that you dont know the real meaning of PLUTO CORE.

    My initial strong feeling about you , using an Orion core  , instead of a real Pluto , has proven more than true.

    I dont know how many cpu's you have and i dont care anymore.

    Still waiting for the original pictures and the plastic cover of the initial 800 pluto.

     

    You could have provided the pictures asked by me in just 5 minutes.

    But as you already wrote , you chose to ignored me.

     

    You chose not to do that , by trying to change the subject in this thread ...

    By answering by your own , that your Orion 950 was burnt , even though nobody asked you about it.

    All you wanted was , to buy some time.

     

    From now on , you are listed in my category of "grain of salt" people (Scotty is this written right ?)

     

    Also you have to know , that it was not actually me , asking the extra proof.

    It's the competition moderation team asking , they were informed from day 1 about it.

     

    In very few words.

    I will ask the moderation team , to request from you ... this 800 PLUTO , doing 1149 Mhz on Air (custom) http://hwbot.org/submission/3855542_

    @Leeghoofd

    To be sent , to replicate the result to :

    @InfraRed (Bulgaria) or @Kotori (Japan) or @Strunkenbold (Germany) or @Stelaras (Greece).

     

    Ohh and find that original plastic cover of the initial 800 Pluto.

    When and if someone of the above trusted persons , verifies that your 800 Pluto , can run 1149 Mhz on Air (custom) , i will apologize to you in public.

    .-

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, TAGG said:

    I found some old sources claiming that they got cores specced for 900 or even 950 MHz Out of cartridges rated as Low as 700 MHz, i myself cracked open my 650 and found a 700 inside...

    So Griffs core probbably came from a Orion Wafer but got stamped as a Pluto, AMD seemed to Change their mind alot Back in the day.

    Another example would be my 600 with a Argon Partnummer (on the cartridge) but a Pluto core...

    Point beeing that AMD themselves didn't Care too much about the different cores, so why should we (AMDs lists both core types as Modell 2 btw)...

    Edit: exept for tbird of course which has totaly different Layout internally and externally...

     

    I will write you my opinion and my personal knowledge , since you mentioned some facts about the Pluto cores.

    Yes , many of the low rated Athlon models , have other cores soldered inside them.

    I have personally seen with my eyes , cores marked us Pluto 700 and 750 , into 600 models (i have one of those).

    I also have a Pluto 650 with A2 revision core , which is not logical since the A2 revision was introduced with the higher binned Pluto of 800 & 850 (mostly)

     

    As a personal knowledge of that era (Athlon Slot A) , i know that the Pluto cores did have a top bench-able speed of 1000 to 1050.

    Their scaling in cold temperatures was poor.

    That max top speed at benches was extended further , with the introduce of the Orion cores , by an other 50 Mhz.

     

    Consider at this point , that in our case , we are talking about a sample of Pluto 800 at +50% speed 

    400Mhz is enormous for that cpu gen.

     

    When @GRIFF submitted his results with a Pluto 800 , my first thoughts were , that his pcb had a downgraded Orion core.

    ok , he got lucky (i thought).

    But right after he published his 2k1 result , i noticed the absence of certain resistors on specific places.

    Since he wrote by himself , that he doesnt own a GFD , i instantly got skeptical about it.

     

    So the most logical thing , was to ask about it.

    ... and that's exactly what i did.

     

    I asked him about the 10X multi issue from the screenshot ... never got a reply.

     

    That is why i asked him the front and rear photo's of the cpu-pcb he used.

     

     

     

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    The official Old School is Best School Season 4 Round 3 thread

    in HWBOT Competitions

    Posted

    39 minutes ago, GRIFF said:

    I answer you only because I have respect, even if the question of your investigation is not pleasant. I made a video quickly with SS where you see the CPU from on and I managed to make 1180mhz to the spi just because I used a power supply with the 3.3V not adjustable. If it's not good for you or mods, delete all my results from this competition. I'm here to have fun and not stress.

     

    You dont understand , and perhaps thats because of the English language we are using , and it's not our native language for both of us.

    I did not questioned your results and your actual cpu speed.

    Yes , you actually achieved that cpu speed and results.

     

    I asked you to provide some specific screenshot , to make sure for the cpu , you used.

    Your own screenshot , on 2k1 result is this , ok ?

    http://hwbot.org/submission/3855155_

    image_id_2018824.jpeg

    Tell me how you managed 10x multi , without a resistor at R122 ?

     

    Now this is one of your spi 1M results (which was originally declared as other cpu type ... and then edited to Pluto 800).

    http://hwbot.org/submission/3854708_

    As a pure coincidence that result had a 9.5x multi , which by pure luck matches your 950 Orion (but thats only a coincidence).

    http://hwbot.org/submission/3550471_griff_superpi___1m_athlon_950_(orion_slot_a)_2min_19sec_941ms

     

    Now , for your 800 pluto to get a 9.5X multi , means that you have moved for this result the following

    R121 R122 R123 R124

    R156 R157 R158

    R3 R5 R6

    Am i right ?

     

    Lets sum up with some portion of humor.

     

    You have overcome the cpu speed (using a Pluto Core) , of every known entry in various historic databases and my personal memories also.

    You have overcome the well known minimal cold scaling of Pluto cores and you achieved a +50% @1200

    You have reached the top binned Orion Core , overclocked speed area.

     

    And i ask.

    When you see a VW Beetle reaching a 200 mile top speed , and the owner says "it's on stock motor" .... then the first thing to ask ?

    "pop up the hood"

     

    That is exactly what i did in your case.

    I am being skeptical with your results , and i asked to see the actual pcb of this 8th wonder of the world , Pluto 800.

    Just two good res pictures , would do (front and back pcb)

    That simple.

     

    Your video is no good to me.

    Gives me nothing of the clues i seek.

     

     

     

     

     

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