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Should I get a room somewhere to stay in Sheffield? Because my original plan was just to take a train every day since it's only an hour long ride and I would be able to bring different parts every day.

If you're just benching you'll be OK upto +200mv. For 24/7 use don't go over +100mv.

LN2 already makes plenty of smoke and deltas make plenty of noise now we just need to add a light show and it'll be intresting to watch.

Yeah that's why I got the 9590. I was considering maybe bringing my 3-way Fury-X X99 setup to try do 3Dmark with LN2 on the CPU but I'd rather not be moving 3000 GBP+ of hardware.

I used this thing: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CoolerMaster/G550M/ it's by no means powerful but at 1% voltage deviation and 30mv ripple on +12V it's as tight as some of the top end PSUs. Not enough power would just be an OCP trip on the PSU. I never tripped OCP even running cinebench. All crashes were software crashes. If ambient performance says anything about LN2 performance then I think 4.7Ghz needing 1.525V says all you need to know about why 6.8Ghz was the most it would do. Sure I didn't give it the best possible chances but I wasn't running it on complete garbage.

I had the +12V to the board on a current clamp I wasn't getting anyhting insane as far as average power draw goes. Cinebench was worse at 300W+ and other than the fact that the board dropped to 1.775V core voltage it was doing just fine. I'll bring the Saber anyway. If it doesn't do well and your CHV works I'll switch to that.

970 Gaming. I was getting 1.8V on DMM running 2 core. I really doubt that 200mv more with a little less riple would help much. Sure with something like a Sabertooth or CHVZ it could probably hit 7.1-7.2Ghz but that's still in the lowend for the FX chip validations.

I'm going. I have a great big pile of CPUs I wanna try benching but I'm not sure which to take so I'm taking suggestions. I have these to play with: i7 4790K (I do have board for it and it validates 5.4Ghz at 1.625V on 10C water so I imagine it might be pretty good with LN2) FX 9590 (I really want to break 7Ghz with this chip after my 8320E got stuck at 6.8Ghz) Athlon II X3 460 (the chip might have a brken IMC but if it works I really want to do 3 core cinebench) Phenom II X4 965 BE (If I bring the FX then I'm bring this too to get HW points) I guess I could bring them all since It's only an hour of travel for me by train to get to the venue.

That is the neatest insulation I've ever seen.

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This whole thing is about using the RPi to control the E-power. What do you want to hook the RPi to?

Ok I got a couple questions before I buy. Will it pass 3Dmark Physics at 5Ghz with about 1.45V? Also how high can the uncore on an RVE?

Can I have a 2 day reserve on this chip? I'm getting some different RAM to play with and depending on how that goes I might buy this chip.

is this still up for sale?

When steam logged more hours in 3D mark than in most of your games.

I assumed that the bonus points for % OC would always be hardware specific. So things like that 340% OC on the Geode NX-1250+ wouldn't impact the points awarded say a 1600mhz GTX 950. The silicon lottery already dominates most of the HWbot rankings. 100mhz more core clock is pretty much an auto win setting for everything except SuperPi. Giving it points probably won't do much harm but would hugely raise the popularity of the obscure hardware categories. Also why couldn't you just use the current average clock stats. AFAIK those are derived from the average across all the submission with that cooling type so they get slightly inflated by CPU-Z/SuperPi submissions but are otherwise sound. If you added a CPU/GPU clock log as part of required verification for efficiency points eligibility it might work. However the logger running would probably wreck efficiency. This isn't really a problem if everyone has to run it to get the extra points however it would make the old score look better than the new ones. So of all my suggestions this is the one I think is completely impossible. The problem with dropping the efficiency points is that people will artificially try to inflate the points they get from % OC. So IMO the happy medium would to find a balance where cheating on efficiency to get extra points will lead to an equal loss of points in the %OC department. However that's probably going to be a nightmare to balance. People with bellow average OC will on purpose focus on trying to cheat on the efficiency score to get extra efficiency points and vice versa. This might turn out to be really hard to catch when it occurs and I can't think of any convenient ways to solve it. Maybe allow negative points for exceptionally bad efficiency/%OC that only eat into the extra points. So say that some hack job says he can beat a 4.5Ghz score(average OC and better than AVG efficiecny) with a 4Ghz score. However he gets -10 points for his exceptionally bad clock so the fact that he was IRL running 4.6Ghz is lost on him getting an over -X extra points. If you get bellow 0 extra points they do not affect you over all score(we don't want people with negative points that's just silly). This will force silicon lottery winners to learn to tweak if they want all the extra points they can get. So mister I binned 200 chips won't have the most points in the i5 6600K air cooled rankings with his 5.3Ghz i5 unless he also knows how to atain above average efficiency. If you keep throwing more stick in my master plan for points calculation HWbot will need to be hosted on a super computer to accommodate the extra math needed to calculate points. BTW I mostly focus on water/air so if anyone has any input on LN2 I would love to hear it. BTW2: Sorry for kinda derailing the thread

I thought system photos are always required for submissions? I always add mine. Maybe make it so that if there is no system picture the score isn't eligible for extra cooling points. In my system LN2 is worth 2x the points of water/air and it just adds onto the current system. It would have little to no impact on global WRs because those are 100+ points for first place. You would need to get a top 5 score using water to even come close to getting more points than the best running LN2. So that's not really a risk. Sure there are times where 4x air/water 290X was best in Unigine however that was only for about a month after launch and that happened with the current system. Due to my suggestion being a fixed amount of bonus points it will massively increase the value of being the very best on something not benched all that much but would also have little impact on the top 5 scores in any becnchamrk.

I think benchmark length is also a big part of the difficulty of a benchmark. Also I do not believe in LN2 being consistently difficult. AMD 32nm with LN2 is incredibly easy to do. Doing AMD 32nm with LN2 properly is hard but the use of LN2 on it's own is not a good indicator of difficulty. So any kind of "difficulty" system will IMO not work. I think it should be purely based on %OC over stock or maybe in relation to the cooling type average. So say that 100 people submit 1 CPU benchmark leading to an average OC of 4.5Ghz on air cooling. Then you come along and manage to do 5Ghz on air cooling. Assuming the 100 people before you weren't really really bad at overclocking, getting 20% more than average is really really hard. The same would work with LN2 except maybe the LN2 would award more points because most of the time it is harder than air/water. So the end result of this would be that some who is at the top of the table for their cooling category will get more points leading to something like this: CPU XYZ LN2 average: 6Ghz Water average: 5Ghz Air average: 4.5Ghz The world record holder who got 7.2Ghz on LN2 gets 20 points for being the best in his cooling class Rank number 20 who ran 6.3Ghz LN2 gets X bonus points along with normal points //I do not want to write essays about the effects of how X scales Rank number 30 who ran 6Ghz on LN2 gets 1 extra point because he's average for his cooling class Everyone running bellow average clocks on LN2 gets 0 extra points The nut job who threw 1.8V at his WCed chip and hit 5.5Ghz gets 10 extra points. The guy who managed 5Ghz on water gets 0 extra points because being average on water is pretty easy Air cooling would follow the water cooling extra point system The only thing I don't like about this system that I'm proposing is that it doesn't account for efficiency. Beating someone who is clocked XX/XXXmhz higher than you should be worth something. For efficiency there could be extra points based on benchmark score divided by clock so that you get score per mhz which is basically the best efficiency measurement I can think of. These changes would drop a massive amount extra points into the 3D benchmarks with low submission quantities and make them much more competitive because instead of getting 2 points with your volt and cooling modded R7 370 you get 10-20 points for winning the cooling category and 10points more from efficiency. So an air cooler could get up to 22 points with that card. Suddenly it's worth benching it and then the HWpoints will naturally go up as more people try to get first with that GPU even though it's not competitive in the globals.

The gap is there to prevent air pressure imbalance. 80C air has a lot more volume than ambient air.

Ok crazy idea here but what if the amount of points for a GPU submission was some how affected by the % overclock. Maybe even in relation to the average OC. This could allow you to get say 10 extra HWpoints which would solve the current 2 HW point top score that most GPUs suffer. You get 1 bonus point for every 10% you go over stock clock or something. If you're second you do not get as many high clock points as the 1st person. The down scaling system for this needs some more thought but could spice up low end GPU 3D. Sure it wouldn't get people on the front page but I bet there would be more 3D subs overall which would pump up the global 3D points because there would be more subs overall.

So whose gonna do 8 295X2s?

Well I guess the Easy V3.0 that I got from OCUK today is the last bench table I'm buying from them. Who else makes good bench tables that I can buy in the UK without paying way too much for shipping?

Yes but Unigine is at the point where running LN2 on the CPU and Air on the GPUs is enough to get second place in the world. Unigine IMO needs a new preset which is so Heavy that a 980Ti running 1500mhz scores about 2000 points in it. That should be pretty simple to do because the current preset is only 1680x1050. A 4K preset would absolute make Unigine much more GPU focused again.

I may have exaggerated with it only needing 1 core however it certainly doesn't benefit enough from core count for a 5960X to beat a 6700K in it. Clocking a 6700K 11% higher than a 5960X and getting 9.9% more points even with lower clocked GPUs makes Unigine a low core count CPU benchmark.

When the first thing you do after moving into your new place is build your new system in the kitchen because the furniture still hasn't arrived.