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How about stripping legacy 3ds except 03 from wr points an making small compensation to give to an old 2d benchmark like Spi or Pifast? I know these are already awarded great, but I see this as a symbol for community that you can get honour also without using the real big gun, it would be a sign of appreciation also for the non pros and a small compensation and sign, we can´t ignore that majority of the community uses these and it should be appreciated in a more direct way than now via the old 3ds which are out of vga limit now for some time. What is a bigger problem for me, even though I like benching old cards in cf or sli at legacy benches and know others like this as well, is the fact that you get globals for score with 4 cards that are nearly half of best single card scores (3d01 for example) - on this I see absolutely no sense, and if we discuss the future of these benchmarks, this is a bigger injustice for me than the wr points because logic fails on this. I am for sure not against changes that make sense, and I know that removing wr points from am3 for example would be OK for other reasons than stopping haswell dominate the ranking

What´s the problem with benches awarded more points that are benched more often and hardware awarded more points that is used more often? The hardware, the benchmarks or your algorithm? What will happen in five years when other 3ds are benched to the max like vantage or 11, and you see the same problem with other hardware? Will you remove simply wr points or will you start the solve the real problem? Taking away the only wr points possible for most used hardware at community is not solving the reasons of the problem but only making cheap work at the symptoms P.S. the wr points were my bad, I read lower facit were there was no zero inserted - and to your edit about algorithm, it is not the wr points why you get more points for the 4770 and for legacy 3ds, but it is your algorithm - so why remove wr points when they are not the problem and your algorithm is fine? Then justice wants 4770k to get more points, it is the system aka algorithm and not the wr points that cause this

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Sure, didn´t you tell algorithm is ok? Then you might take in that there are nearly 10 times as much subs with 4770k than 5960x and legacy benches are old with tons of results^^- your example is far from legit or you simply change your algorithm^^ and btw, where do you get 2d wr points with 4 core cpu? at cb, wprime or hwbotprime against 8, 16 or 24 core cpu- the 2d wrs are very much concentrated on server systems? lmao - fail, Roman, and this is why I said that removing legacy 3d wrs is needing small compensation at 2d - other option to avoid the bad influence of cheap hardware to hwbot might be lower cap on global points, and I also see no reason to give globals to multi-cpu benches that are lower than single scores like on old 3d mark 01 for example

Generally there is no need to give wr points to all five legacy 3ds, this is overproportional. It might be worth thinking about stripping two of them who don´t scale with multi vga (AM3,01,05 and 06) of this, as well as one of the cinebenches or wprime 1024, and give instead wr points to other old stuff 32m Spi and maybe Pifast to keep the current relation of hardware needed to get wr points. My main goal is to keep this attractive also to people who use 200-300 euro cpus and not only 1k 5960x, on which best samples are pre-binned vendor stuff on top. We are always talking about a "community" - 1150 i7 is backbone of this community at the moment, if you compare number of subs made with 1155 3770k, 1150 4770K/4790K (aka as binnable cpus for all) to all 2011 platforms you will see what I mean, I even left out sandy bridge because of obvious reasons and get more than 110k subs made there which is for these aolne far more than on all three 2011 gens with all cpus, I even left out stuff like k-i5s

at 1,22v 5ghz I would still dance with joy

4,5ghz SuperPi32M 1,22v is simply not good - this chip will not do 5ghz at xp below 1,45v imho

4770K 3350Bxxx 1,04vid, 4,5ghz 1,22v 32m spi and wprime - bad

So let me make this clear - after last changes over the years the 3d legacy benchmarks are last chance to get any wr points with using enthusiast class cpu like 1155 or 1150 i7, and to level chances for poor 2011 ocers, we strip these of wr points as well? Sounds like a fair deal seeing that crap like hwbotprime, both cinebenches and wprime, on which you have no chance to get wrs with 1150 for example, are only 2ds that get wr points and on 3d, you have only small chances to get wr without 2011 maybe at uh or catzilla if you are fast and others don´t bother.

The competition issue is strong - I am not in position to comment on this, but think a solution for this that suits all needs would be make dealing with other questions more easy

I know the problems on multi gpu and see the effort done - but I don´t agree on your evaluation and facit of 4770k for example, sure you have to bin, but you can at least do this and have a chance to find what you search for, on 5960x you would have much bigger financial effort and on cards as well, and I say "would" because in reality you have no realistic chance to get lots of 980GTX or 5960X retail that is able to beat vendors samples if you bin privately- so ranking will be even more what it is now, closed circle of inhouse or shop-benchers, and no chance to come even close with whatever effort even semi-sponsored guys give. It simply results in money game and no chance at all anymore if you don´t get tons of handpicked Intel/Asus/Galax etc samples. Not sure we will find a way to agree on this topic, our views are from very different angles, and both have points that speak in favour of them

I am not sure it makes sense to keep all legacy 3Ds available for wr points, that´s true, but on the other hand things move into big money direction already, for 4x fse and other newer benchmarks you need handpicked vendor samples because retails won´t beat these (don´t tell me it´s wrong, even sponsored guys with these samples say this) and a handpicked 1k cpu plus board and 2011 system - so we generally talk about moving things even more away from non inhouse benchers in favour of fully sponsored guys. And Roman, which effort? The true fact that you need more cards to level on cold at right temp, which is hard, financial effort if you pay the bill yourself and get retails that will not give you wr or tweaking effort? One or two might be right... I know that power benchers with unlimited ressources hate old 3ds, they take away their material advantage, that´s why I like them^^

You would get a good board, especially very strong on multi-core 2D and on 3 benchmarks

Agree 100% on Bullants statement, I see some of the arguments Sam gave are true, but the fact that the older benchmarks are more or less only stuff left that good tweaking can make a difference and not only pure power makes me think globals and wr points should stay at least for majority of these

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Can get closed and noved, new thread is coming - thx for the space, hwbot

sieht so aus als wenn service pack 1 fehlt - ansonsten ist der score schwer zu erklären

Last bump for this oold thread^^

My old mems - good job

Very good tweaked run, great efficiency

I have just my random Corsair left, but might try these in near time, on Z87 OCM they ran 1200 c8 around 1,73v iirc 32m stable, no idea if they can do same on GA - lots of Hypers fight with tight tertiaries and rtls on new systems and high frequency can have same effect, at the moment I tested some multi core benches on the board, it does quite good

Well done