Maxi Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Thanks for that Monstru, I hope everyone takes the time to read your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF3D Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Monstru- Best post in this thread. Thank you! Now everyone, please calm down! This thread have gone too far. I just send e-mail to three members who have benched together with same hardware and then published scores to all three accounts. This was the point in the e-mail. Nothing more, nothing less. These personal attacks and pointless dispute in this thread are not making anything better. Situation is still the same. Those scores were done with shared hardware and it would have been ok, if only one of you would post best results. If you would have done it that way, this thread wouldn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyrus Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Situation is still the same. Those scores were done with shared hardware and it would have been ok, if only one of you would post best results. If you would have done it that way, this thread wouldn't exist. 1)It is not very easy to prove a shared result as there are many people with identical setup and mostly the top of the hardware. 2)If those scores weren't so great no one would care and no post would exist anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AN7 OverClocker Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Monstru- Best post in this thread. Thank you!Situation is still the same. Those scores were done with shared hardware and it would have been ok, if only one of you would post best results. If you would have done it that way, this thread wouldn't exist. How can you be so sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_o/c Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Those scores were done with shared hardware and it would have been ok, if only one of you would post best results. If you would have done it that way, this thread wouldn't exist. Why's that again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF3D Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Have someone proved somehow, that those scores are not done with same hardware and in the same time. I haven't seen real proof. I will believe those guys if they show me something real. Yes, scores are great and that is one part of the problem. They will give a lot of points to one team. This is the reason why we are trying to do new rules about shared hardware George_o/c: Because we don't have complete rules yet. We are using the previous rules, which says that the owner of the hardware can / should post results. Now they didn't do that way. (If someone of those three members really own those parts) Why does this matter raise feelings so much here. And especially those members are angry, who are not involved in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psilos Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Can i say one thing?? I want to bring an example..I don't have something with guys from team MXS but the only reason for the under example is that i have the same graphic card. All here are talking for H.O.T about sharing results or hardware and there is a little bit confusion... Let's all see this category of Radeon 1950PRo 256mb http://www.hwbot.org/ResultBrowseByVideoCard.do?gpuModelId=1054 the only thing that my eye goes on is that the guys from MXS has taken all the first position maybe with the same card...Aren't they share hardware??? Why is the problem with H.O.T finally? Did we make something like that for other team when we saw it to coming up?? I think no... So, why is the problem with HOT...? And at all everyone from us has his own hardware and noone is in our homes to check it. I must said that i bought a new videocard everywhere for uploading results then on hwbot.? Or i must post to all forums that i bought for not having these problems..?Everyone can do whatever he wants with his money. This is my opinion. P.S.: I want to say again that i don't have something with you guys from MXS the example was just because i have the same card.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthtony Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 are you sayng that they shared the hardware or that they benched together and they posted the score on all 3 accounts? i still can't understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 We are saying that the had a a joint bench session and the person who uploaded the scores were not the owners of the videocards, which is in violation with the rules posted in August '07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AN7 OverClocker Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 and the person who uploaded the scores were not the owners of the videocards and not the "bencher"? The person who uploaded the results wasn't the "bencher"? Is that you are saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 We're talking about ownership and violation of the latest updated rules: http://www.hwbot.org/hwbot.post.do?postId=689. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF3D Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 01: Giorgos th.: 98683 (QX9650 5.5GHz, 2900XT 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=679384 elefsinaras: 97719 (QX9650 5,46GHz, 2900XT 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=677874 05: Giorgos th.: 35342 (QX9650 5.5GHz, 2900XT 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=679525 elefsinaras: 35226 (QX9650 5,46GHz, 2900XT 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=677879 tsan: 34754 (QX9650 5.4GHz 2900XT 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=678157 06: tsan : 25646 (QX9650 5.5GHz 2900XT 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=685631 elefsinaras: 25590 (QX9650 5.46GHz 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=677880 giorgos: 25407 (QX9650 5,46GHz 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=679526 AM3: giorgos: 324484 (QX9650 5.5GHz 2900XT 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=679390 tsan: 311442 (QX9650 5.44GHz 2900XT 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=678154 elefsinaras: 309700 (QX9650 5.46GHz 2900XT 850/990) http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=677885 How they have mixed clock speeds in there. Tsan could clock his QX9650 to 5.5GHZ only in 3DM06??? Giorgos got 5.5GHz in every other bench but not in 06, he got the exact same than tsan in other benches (5.46GHz) Come on guys! I have got personal messages where you say that I have imagined all this. Well, I don't have very good imagination then, I quess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AN7 OverClocker Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 @massman You continue speaking hypothetically. @SF3D When giorgos.th benched i was there. Elefsinaras + tsan didn't "play" that day and at the next appointment that giorgos.th benched they weren't even there. If they used same cpu+videocards..i dont know. For the videocards its against the rules but why do you care about the cpu? edit1. tsan used Maximus Extreme X38 DDR3 and elefsinaras Blitz Formula DDR2. Exact same hardware???????? You expect and the same cpu can do the same at different mobos? edit2. and giorgos.th Blitz Extreme DDR3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psilos Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 the clocks of the 2900XT that were 850/990 for me just don't say nothing.. I don't know if they are the same but this clock is very easy even with the worst 2900. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 When are you guys willing to tell what happened? I have heard a gazillion stories and none of them give me reasons why not to block those results. Besides the fact that it's kind of obvious that people used Hipro's hardware (see the list he made on page2 - where are E. and G. ??), we have several other inconsistencies in any story we hear. I can understand that it might not be amusing that we consider this illegal, but this thread has made this a bigger issue than it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF3D Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 @SF3DWhen giorgos.th benched i was there. Elefsinaras + tsan didn't "play" that day and at the next appointment that giorgos.th benched they weren't even there. If they used same cpu+videocards..i dont know. Thank you for this information AN7 OverClocker! Like massman said, why don't you tell the whole story? This case could be closed after that quickly. It doesn't help if you just continue to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstru Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Guys.....you broke an obvious rule, clearly written here on HWB. That is why the HWB mods are blocking the results. On the other hand, as I stated a few days ago, that rule has flaws and i don't entirely agree with it. Ok, if many people think that rule is flawed, let's think of a way in which it could be improved. I think this is the mature solution, not fighting We don't like that ugly rule I tried to think of something, and maybe that also has flaws. Other people also thought of some solutions. Any other ideas??? C'mon.....let's make HWB better for all, instead of fighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthtony Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 We are saying that the had a a joint bench session and the person who uploaded the scores were not the owners of the videocards, which is in violation with the rules posted in August '07 if the owner of the videocard has no problem the results being uploaded to the bencher's account then why should there be a rule against it?I think you should alter that rule.can't I use some of my teamate's hw, overclock it and post the results on my account? or I have to post the results to the owner of the hw? waht's the difference exactly?and you can't know if someone have bought the hw from another teammate!Again I think that you should reconsider the rule ;-) But let's Wait for Hipro's response :-) Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipro5 Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 WTF happent to my thread?..... TOO MANY posts.... First off, this is going to be a LONG post......So PLEASE read it ALL carrefully.... Let's start with this: I just send e-mail to three members who have benched together with same hardware and then published scores to all three accounts. This was the point in the e-mail. Nothing more, nothing less.Those scores were done with shared hardware and it would have been ok, if only one of you would post best results. If you would have done it that way, this thread wouldn't exist. To clear some thing up..... Those 2/3 guys you're talking about have NEVER BENCHED TOGETHER - EVER - PLEASE KEEP this in mind and let's move on..... Now..... tsan He OWNS the hardware he have benched till now and he owns MORE that this too...... He's a "quite guy" and he ALWAYS BENCHIES ALONE TO HIS PLACE.... He doesn't write well English so he told me to write some things in Enlish for him - He was saying them to me in Greek and I will write them down in English - Here's HIS benching place and HIS HARDWARE: EACH photo has his description... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipro5 Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 Sorry for the too many photos but that he was told me to do.....upload them.... Now......He says that he HAS RECIEPTS FOR EVERYONE OF THEM and he asks to WHOME should he send them to testify that it is HIS HARDARE He also told me that once it is testified, he DEMANDS from SF3D to APOLOGIES IN PUBLIC and QUIT from Moderator (cuz he ain't worth it judging people he doesn't know and say things about them that are NOT REAL)..... (His words not mine - Sorry but he told me to write that down - ).... Elefsinaras He benchies ALWAYS TO HIS PLACE with his hardware and hardware that I don't give a dumn from where he finds/buy them..... He has benched ONLY ONCE at my place and that was done ALONE (I had work to do and I didn't pay attention at what he was doing)...... NOT for the benchies we are talking about here.... gioprgos th. He benched TWICE at my place.... He benched with: My "spare" VGAs ATI 2900XT ON AIR with their default heatsinks that I DON'T USE AND I HAVE NEVER UPLOADED ANY RESAULT FROM THEM..... My "spare" QX9650 RETAIL that I DON'T USE AND I HAVE NEVER UPLOADED ANY RESAULT FROM IT (by the way I have another two of them for sale - one does 5430MHz 3D and the other one does 5380MHz - PM in case that someone is interested - My "spare" ASUS Blitz Extreme DDR3 that I DON'T USE AND I HAVE NEVER UPLOADED ANY RESAULT FROM IT (I have it for "backup reasons" in case something happen to my first one)..... And YES I MYSELF have poured LN2 for him on his benchings.....BUT that I made it a gift for him.... DO we in hwbot take any points for pouring LN2 into someones container?.....IF yes, then cut them from me.... NOW if you have anything to ask please do.... CONTINUING...... According to THE BELOW QUOTE: - only the owner of the processor may submit scores in processor related benches I DEMAND RIGHT NOW TO TAKE DOWN the following scores that were done with "MY" QX9650 ES CPU..... http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667143 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667142 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=666910 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667130 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667128 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667837 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=668073 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667843 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=668877 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=668875 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667846 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667853 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667927 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667862 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667858 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667913 http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=667912 The ABOVE resaults/scores were done with "MY" CPU.....PLUS POLONOS KNEW IT that those benchies were done with ONLY ONE CPU and he DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO YOU (hwbot crew)......WHY? ..... OR you knew it too and you have "covered" it somehow?... IF the hwbot CREW, ISN'T FOLLOWING IT'S OWN SITE'S "RULES", then I ask you, how some people out there will follow them?....Simple question by a simple user.... Last sentenses by me: 1. Obi you're an arss.... 2. Polonos you just DON'T deserve the place you have into hwbot crew as for me..... 3. We had a "benching session" at my place....There were about 20 persons or more BUT ONLY giorgos th. was benching that day with the hardware I wrote above.... ALL THE OTHER persons were talking, laughing and things like that as a company you know..... Now once again, please ask whatever you want.....Thanks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LL_NEO Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Hipro5 crits topic with 56845546878 frost damage Topic dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipro5 Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 exactly, but since scores with identical hw were posted on same date with only small difference in result, to different accounts, this whole mess was started. 1. It WASN'T the "same day" as you claim..... 2. The ONLY "same hardware" - IF you want to say it like that - were DIFFERENT ATIs 2900XT which were FLASHED with the SAME BIOS.... ALL OTHER ARE DIFFERENT if you take a look at the benchies.... Now...Should I flash my 2 x 3870s with a bios that a guy have uploaded and it is the EXACT SAME FOR TOO MANY users OR should I wait for hwbot permission to do so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_o/c Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Wow ! ... Fatallity ... I am curious about what will happen ... PS : George, it's high time you posted, so that everything is straightened out ... Nice job dude, keep your results coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richba5tard Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 He also told me that once it is testified, he DEMANDS from SF3D to APOLOGIES IN PUBLIC and QUIT from Moderator (cuz he ain't worth it judging people he doesn't know and say things about them that are NOT REAL)..... (His words not mine - Sorry but he told me to write that down - ).... [/b] What an utter disrespect for someone dedicating his spare time to the oc community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF3D Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Thank you Hipro to clear things up. I know that you were busy, but this info should have come earlier. This thread have gone too far. I can and will apologise Tsan, if this all you told is true. I can see the Maximus extreme and 2x2900XT, that he have used in his benches. You can tell my apologies to him Hipro. E: Frederik - That is just normal reaction from tsan. I don't mind. Why should I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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