Hilderman Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Ok, so I'm still confused, (happens often, lol). No ice bucket as per mod? But Nik, your hwbotprime submit #3289400 to comp has ice bucket. Did something change in rules? Just want to be very clear on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 That was the wrong image for Screenshoot. ( No Icewater bench, but Icewater pic I Bencht with ice, because I did not know that's icewasser not allowed. Sorry for miss take. Icewater/Chiller not allowed. Greez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilderman Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 That was the wrong image for Screenshoot. ( No Icewater bench, but Icewater pic I Bencht with ice, because I did not know that's icewasser not allowed. Sorry for miss take. Icewater/Chiller not allowed. Greez I see, I guess that's why they tell us in the rules to plan and make our submissions carefully as we are not allowed to remove them. Gets serious when big $ prizes are awarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Thats correct!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaRtA Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Wow, some huge scores and monster CPU's in here again. Good benching so far everyone. I am having problems with memory training, no idea how you are running over 3866C12. Nik and Ziken, you guys are killing it. Wish for chips like yours. Edited August 22, 2016 by KaRtA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 26, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) I checked the top results at extreme and ambient, and found a contradiction at rules btw, because of this a clarification. Some people do not have the spd tab that is mentioned at rules, but I will not remove results because of this Reason is that we do not need it because we do not rule out any memory sticks and the difference at extreme and ambient rules which made this confusing for some benchers it seems - you need cpu, mainboard and memory tab at CPUZ, that´s enough for me P.S. I handle this same way for extreme competition, so this is valid for both divisions of msi 2d battle Edited August 26, 2016 by websmile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAGG Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Are there any limits for air temps (for example benching in rooms that have AC to ~7°C or even below)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 26, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 26, 2016 If you go below 10 degrees idle I would not call this enthusiast league anymore. MSI gave you a really generous temperature limit, I do not think it would be wise to annoy them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strong Island Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Are there any limits for air temps (for example benching in rooms that have AC to ~7�C or even below)? I have a pretty small room with a pretty big A/C and never come close to 7c in the summer. I dont even think my room goes below 15c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKBO Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Agree, the lowest temp i can handle with AC is 14 and its really funny sit here for about 10H benching Offcourse, it is possible only after midnight, cause on normal day, you got 19+. Mutch easier on winter, take hat, big socks and do the job.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Whats up, Page its down!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 30, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 30, 2016 The site is extremely slow, if you encounter problems submit via hwbot and add to the competition there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulshooter Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 When i see, that people give 1,7 Vcore on a Skylake and have 77 degrees at Load, i wondering. Thats not real, i dont give 1,7 Vcore on SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachtfalke Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 even 1.6v on skylake and conventional cooling can´t 77 degree load without help from a compressor cooling(chillers/tec) or ice in water cicle they are many people here with chillers that can controlate the water tank temps! to stay a bit above to the temps rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropluszero Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 They can do it, and they can get 77 degrees, but they arent using regular watercooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 31, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 31, 2016 The stages are moderated, it is not my job to comment, but we need reliable monitoring like xtu for example has in the future. I removed lots of results, some of them because temp monitorig was not run during benchmark, most because of insufficient verification though. The final overall standings need to be recalculated, MSI did an awesome competition here, it might have been last chilled water though as future comps will have minimum temps of 30° celsius. Grats to the winners and I hope all enjoyed the battle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaRtA Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I'm sorry, but what about running 1.85v in hwbot prime. That just isn't right on ambient! 1.76v was far fetched enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkim Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 I'm sorry, but what about running 1.85v in hwbot prime. That just isn't right on ambient! 1.76v was far fetched enough! As a teamleader of team in which is this submit belongs, I know in fact that it was by the books, he just didnt care if he kills it and he was trying to get few more points no matter what happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 31, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) This I checked as well (also sent link to head of moderation), it is VN most likely, real vcore is around 1,53v according to hwmonitor (VN8=Vcore) - 1,85v would normally throttle immediately Edited August 31, 2016 by websmile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Digg_de Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 1.7v+ with Air/WC.. great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKBO Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) I'm sorry, but what about running 1.85v in hwbot prime. That just isn't right on ambient! 1.76v was far fetched enough! You can try it. Just delid chip, build water-cool system yourself with high flow pump, use kryonaut, set level 4 Vdrop, cool down air temperature to 14 degree with aircondition or open the window if you live in right place. Amd you can handle IT, but!!! I was prepared toho kill it, cause it was terrible chip. Also you need rerun it 50 times, because it will start degrade here and need more and more. For 5138 was OK for 1,75, more not. Getting 1,65 on 6700k si more unreal than i3 Edited August 31, 2016 by PKBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 31, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 31, 2016 So why do you have different readout at hwmonitor then for vcore when you set 1,7++ in real? This makes me really curious.... because then there might indeed be something wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilderman Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Websmile, If a competitor is moved to the Apprentice league due to visible icewater/chiller use, do the rules not allow him/her to return to the Enthusiast league ALL within the time frame of the MSI Ambient comp? Can you clarify this? hwbotprime submit #3289400 to comp had ice bucket in screenshot and was allowed to be removed from comp, competitor was moved to Apprentice, and then returned to ambient comp. Also against stated rules from what I read. Can you clarify this as well? Also Websmile, Christian Ney stated for I3 sub, HWinfo should be in screen along with HWMonitor. ? Can you clarify this as this is missing from some subs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators websmile Posted August 31, 2016 Administrators Share Posted August 31, 2016 I can clarify nothing because I was not involved in any way in an incident with someone moved up to apprentice and then back to el, you have to ask massman or Christian Ney on this, but iirc, I already made this clear before. If the submissuion was a mistake it might be OK, I cannot comment on things I was not involved in as this was week when I was offline obviously On the Hwinfo issue, temp3 on hwmonitor is enough, at tests I made and feedback I had it showed that hwinfo tends to crash at full load when hwmonitor runs as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilderman Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Makes sense what you're saying about hwinfo. Thanks for clarification. I thought you would be involved and/or aware with the removal of a sub from the comp you're moderating is why I asked you. I could ask Massman or Christian Ney, I just thought you all compared notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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