HWBot Team Cup design thread 2020

[yosarianilives]

I mean Ddr3 on z170 is similar from a mem perspective, those boards suck. And if you want to take the cpu cold gonna be a lot of work, gonna need lots of mods for voltages and potentially even an epower. Plus the mem layout is probably shit, heard they don't do timings well so gonna have to learn how to do mem on them from the ground up, etc

Basically what I'm saying is the few stages where it could be allowed it wouldn't be so bad to have Ddr3 z170

[Leeghoofd]

why would one force users to buy a board that is a pos, might toast a good cpu or mem kit.... nah no Z170 DDR3 sorry man

[TAGG]

What's up with the E7205 chipset limit for 3d06? there's literally one board with that chipset in the database ?

 

[Leeghoofd]

Whats not there can always be added... It was one of the requests of one team captain... 

[ObscureParadox]

5 minutes ago, TAGG said:

What's up with the E7205 chipset limit for 3d06? there's literally one board with that chipset in the database ?

 

I actually had to Google the Chipset. 

[TAGG]

2 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

Whats not there can always be added...

So is this official confirmation from your side that this stage stays that way?

Edited June 12, 2020 by TAGG

[Leeghoofd]

thats why we are here to debate, change swap, agree to disagree and create a stir ?

[TAGG]

Hm ok will wait with buying one then

Is the 4 core limit for ddr2 spi 32m just an accident? Allso the stage says you need 2 diffrent videocards not CPUs ?

Edited June 12, 2020 by TAGG

[yosarianilives]

53 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

why would one force users to buy a board that is a pos, might toast a good cpu or mem kit.... nah no Z170 DDR3 sorry man

As dangerous as 4coredual, but it seems you've pretty much locked that one out so at least there's some cohesion  

[Leeghoofd]

4 minutes ago, TAGG said:

Hm ok will wait with buying one then

Allso is the 4 core limit for ddr2 spi 32m just an accident? 

Nope 32M on quads only....

[TAGG]

4 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

Nope 32M on quads only....

771 Xeons allowed?

[Leeghoofd]

yep

2 minutes ago, TAGG said:

771 Xeons allowed?

 

[ground]

for ddr2 32M, x38=x48 maybe? Its the same chipset, don’t see why to exclude it  

[Bullshooter]

Thats hard Albrecht

The most Hardware are not exist, in the portfolio of the Bencher aka P35, X38, 845PE etc

 

[Leeghoofd]

It's still a draft gents... Continuously updated/edited/... 

[Bullshooter]

And Albrecht write clear rules, that no discusion comes.

 

[Leeghoofd]

Standard rules have not been added yet, first will configure them stages

[ground]

14 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

It's still a draft gents... Continuously updated/edited/... 

nobody mad just yet I hope. Rather see stuff said now then mid comp as we had before. 

Couple suggestions what could be considered - none of these were neck breaking as is, but changing them could make some stuff more interesting.

-DDR2 freq is currently pretty obvious classic d9gmh + p45. If you want more action maybe disallow one of the two (though I bet most wouldn’t mind keeping both allowed, I am not opposed, just throwing in the idea)

-DDR3 freq same problem, just instead mfr + haswell. Alternative idea: Dual channel required with no capacity lock so other ics might be viable. 

-DDR4 3d03 no dx12 cards? odd choice but okay

[Leeghoofd]

All the mem freqs have specific ram amount (so dual channel or use higher capacity sticks) and cas latency set. 

3d03 no dx12 cards is to rule out the brute power of the modern cards... 

[yosarianilives]

33 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said:

3d03 no dx12 cards is to rule out the brute power of the modern cards... 

Don't want people getting any GFPs in this comp do we?  

That joke aside I do actually like the thinking and idea, personally I don't think it should be changed. Also brings the cost down, especially when you need 4x cards...

[yosarianilives]

Not sure how it would fit into the comp, but would love to see an rdr stage if possible. Idk how badly that would break the formula but maybe do like one bench that's a bunch of random things like rdr, fbdimm, etc that don't fit in well. Or call it "misc" and instead of mem types have stages with traditional bench types. 

 

So maybe it'd look like 

- wprime 32m, must use rdr, 1 sub 

- gpupi 1b, must use fb-dimm, use up to 2 cpus in total, 2 subs (1x single cpu, 1x dual cpu) 

- 3dmark01 dog pile, any mem type

- port royal, 1 score

Then make each stage worth half the pts a normal stage is worth. Not sure how much support this idea would get but I thought it was interesting enough to share. 

 

Edit: changed dog pile to 3dm01 to sweeten the pot for some

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by yosarianilives

[Noxinite]

Must admit I have no idea what the current restrictions are as they keep changing, but for the 3D stages I guess it would make sense to adjust the GPUs available to be in line with the "era" (read: DRAM type). I.e. 7000 series Nvidia for DDR max if sticking to 939?

Edited June 13, 2020 by Noxinite

[TAGG]

X265 1080p ddr2 stage can we please include Woodcrest 4M with the conroes? (it's basically the same core but for 771)

[yosarianilives]

I see on x265 it looks like asrock is banned to combat c2q on ddr1. Can we just blanket band s775/771 on all ddr1 stages instead? 

[yosarianilives]

On 3dmark99 currently it requires 6 core on x99, since the core count is specified can we allow xeons for this one if it stays x99? 1650v3 may be cheaper than 5930k or 5820k and because core count is specified it won't be an advantage except in cost.