Rev3 Up and Running - Complaints, Ideas, Ramblings, Comments ... but no bugs

[Leeghoofd]

The cups/medals are not displayed in the hall of fame

 

For tht top 3 comment : It's pretty hard to fight up gainst the likes of Kingpin, Hipro5, Vivi, Stummie and co ( and to whom I did forget) in single card events ( as they are the most rewarding now ) to get top 3... you need to be with the uber elite... if I'm remotely lucky I'm top 20 lol...

 

There still needs to be a boint motivation to keep benching no matter what hardware !!

[Massman]

http://www.hwbot.org/listResults.do?cpuModelId=256&applicationId=3&filterUser=true&filterBlocked=true&limit=100

 

~55 scores from different users, still just 3 boints for the top spot.

 

Thanks for reporting!

 

Either some results used to be delete or there's another issue. You can see that certain results don't get points, click on them and check the nickname in the result_id ... there's nothing indicated.

[Olesius]

In the end, we may apply some minor changes to the hwboints algorithm, but major changes will only be done if we have a clear view on what happens exactly. This requires time, a lot of time. So, for the unhappy people I can only suggest:

 

- Test out the new Rev3 and see in what way you need to change your benching strategy

- If you don't like the points, make your account "bointless" and just submit scores for personal reference

- If you really don't like it anymore, log off and don't log in anymore

I think this answer is not logical Massman...

 

Admins and Moderators should improve Current situation Instead of saying get Log Off...!!!!

Am I right?

 

Sorry, but all hwbot users have problem with rev3...

[knopflerbruce]

I think this answer is not logical Massman...

 

Admins and Moderators should improve Current situation Instead of saying get Log Off...!!!!

Am I right?

 

Sorry, but all hwbot users have problem with rev3...

 

As posted a handful of times already: there are a couple of bugs that affect the hardware boint rankings, plus the complaints are all over the place. Some people think it's all about the money now, and some think $2000 rigs have no future here... it's obvious there are alot of misunderstandings - both of these statements can't be right!

[Oskaliber]

I'm asking again since noone answered me. Will be the site optimized for low resolutions like 1024x768?

[Massman]

I'm asking again since noone answered me. Will be the site optimized for low resolutions like 1024x768?

 

Added to backlog, RB will answer this after he checks if it's possible.

[eva2000]

As posted a handful of times already: there are a couple of bugs that affect the hardware boint rankings, plus the complaints are all over the place. Some people think it's all about the money now, and some think $2000 rigs have no future here... it's obvious there are alot of misunderstandings - both of these statements can't be right!

Actually both statements can be right as you have to understand not everyone is viewing the new emerging situation from one person/hwbot folks perspective but that of their own. That's why throughout all 3 revisions of hwbot, there have been folks pro-change and folks against the changes.

 

Definitions of effort and amount of money will differ for everyone participating in hwbot. For folks use to LN2/DI and volt modding they'll see that they put alot of effort, time and money to achieve their results. For folks on air/water who push their systems to the limits of their system cooling limitations, find tweaks and test their systems will see that they also put in alot of effort, time and money. It's all relative.

 

Now the new rev3 has rubbed both kinds of folks the wrong way.

 

1. Folks on LN2/DI and with more money or saved the asses off for multi-gpu setups in hopes of achieving higher scores now in rev3 see that effort (saving money) and benching in multi-gpu configs are not being rewarding enough relative to older gen hardware which is more popular.

 

2. Folks on air/water in some categories are only getting minor points 0.1 for their efforts as all the points are now sourced in popular hardware categories which have folks on DI/LN2 or volt modding occupying the >0.1 pt rewarding spots. These folks for reasons financially or otherwise can't afford to modify/volt mod and kill their hardware to compete in the more popular hardware categories.

 

So as you see both statements can be correct as it's all relative

[PeterStoba]

Nice to see the bugs are being sorted out quickly.

 

From what I understand that points distribution is better than the current one.

[eva2000]

Hope the bug fix in point calculation helps... last 14 days of submissions. You have to ask yourself was the 0.1pts worth the time and effort ?

 

[der8auer]

HW points distribution after fix:

 

*********** Testing 1
hw rank 1/1: 1.5
*********** Testing 2
hw rank 1/2: 1.5
hw rank 2/2: 0.1
*********** Testing 3
hw rank 1/3: 1.5
hw rank 2/3: 0.1
hw rank 3/3: 0.1
*********** Testing 4
hw rank 1/4: 1.5
hw rank 2/4: 1.2
hw rank 3/4: 0.1
hw rank 4/4: 0.1
*********** Testing 5
hw rank 1/5: 1.5
hw rank 2/5: 1.2
hw rank 3/5: 0.1
hw rank 4/5: 0.1
hw rank 5/5: 0.1
*********** Testing 6
hw rank 1/6: 1.5
hw rank 2/6: 1.2
hw rank 3/6: 0.9
hw rank 4/6: 0.1
hw rank 5/6: 0.1
hw rank 6/6: 0.1

 

 

*********** Testing 5

hw rank 1/5: 1.5

hw rank 2/5: 1.2

hw rank 3/5: 0.1

hw rank 4/5: 0.1

hw rank 5/5: 0.1

 

 

Why everywhere only 0.1? Why not going 1.5 - 1.2 - 0.9 - 0.6 - 0.1

 

The step from 1.2 to 0.1 is just to hard and fast

Edited January 3, 2010 by der8auer

[Oskaliber]

It has been designed for 1024x768. Which specific page is giving you problems?

1. The site is to wide, so i need to roll it left-right which is quite annoying.

2. Many things cover overclockers league a bit or other items in right sidebar. For example: hwbot january oc challage picture, table in 'benchmarks' and so on.

3. Team names in 'members rankings' are cut, etc.

[Quentj]

Good job for this bug correction.

I think less people will complain about the 0.1pts problem (which still here).

 

But I think a 60% of rewarded scores in little categories (with decrease by the number of submissions) is a solution to the matter of a lot of people.

Edited January 1, 2010 by Quentj

[Rain Dropz]

yeah that 0.1pts is BS

it should be like

1.5

1.3

1.1

1

0.9

0.8

0.7

0.6

.

.

.

[eva2000]

1. The site is to wide, so i need to roll it left-right which is quite annoying.

2. Many things cover overclockers league a bit or other items in right sidebar. For example: hwbot january oc challage picture, table in 'benchmarks' and so on.

3. Team names in 'members rankings' are cut, etc.

 

maybe post a screenshot ?

[egm_xt]

I have to acknowledge that it takes courage to make such a drastic change. As it is, and at first contact, I personally preffered much more the old version (rev.2) and would opt for smaller changes addressing each issue at a time: number of GPU/CPU, unpopular/popular hardware, achievements changes, etc...

 

As people say: If it ain´t broke don´t fix it. Or as we say in Brazil about soccer teams: ("Nao se mexe em time que está ganhando") something like: "You do not change if the team is winning". (after all nobody can ever know for sure all the reasons why this is happening... ). Sometimes changes are needed but the consequences are hard to foresee.

 

Please remember that to have winners and 1st places we need loosers and 2nd places. Since it is all relative depending on how high you set the bar there will be more or less people willing to take part. There is no way to tell what is going to happen in the long run but please understand that it is normal for people to feel bad if they were playing with one set of rules and it suffers a big change - specially with backwards effects reducing (sometimes very hard earned) points.

 

But as you say there are bugs to be fixed and to be more practical I will add some numbers to one bug I belive has already been spotted and really left me with a strange feeling. For me it is a very serious one based on the fact that it can change significantly the scores of many people who have less points - lets say less than 300 - and these are the vast majority of the people at Hwbot and the ones that allow the first ones to have significance in their ranking.

 

- results for cpuz with 5 participants (Cyrix M-II 300)

 

1st 1.8 points

2nd 0.3 points

3rd 0.2 points

4th 0.1 points

5th 0.1 points

 

More than 50% received more than 0.1. The 1st received 6 times more than 2nd (1.8 to 0.3) and this looks strange

 

 

- results for cpuz with 31 participants (Pentium 3 celeron 900)

 

1st 5.8 points

2nd 4.5 points

3rd 3.3 points

4th 2.5 points

5th 1.8 points

6th 1.3 points

7th 1.1 points

8th 1.0 points

9th 0.9 points

10th 0.7 points

11th 0.1 points

12th 0.1 points

.

.

31st 0.1 points

 

less than 30% received more than 0.1 points (the new "zero") the 1st to second ratio is 1.29 (instead of 6 like above)

but the drop from the 10th to the 11th is from 0.7 to 0.1 - 7x, also strange

 

Quickly looking around I found this to be consistent. For very few results we are close to 50% awarded and there is too much difference

between 1st and 2nd (totaly out of proportion with the difference between 2nd to 3rd). For more results the difference between 1st

and 2nd looks "normal" but the difference between the last score with more than 0.1 and the first 0.1 score is now out

of expected proportion. I may have looked at a few bugged results but it does not seem so.

 

Anyway this was a huge undertaking and I hope that with small changes from now on you can make rev.3 as fun to play or better than rev.2. Have a nice 2010

[der8auer]

Being third to last should gain 0.9 points?

 

In my opinion - yes. But it's not only at 5er ranking. I think the points should be more balanced. Going down slowly and not directly to 0,1

[shivabel]

Hi

In Harware Master I was 12° (1235 points) ,now i am 78°(592 points?)

 

I dont understand this REV3.I hope all points will come back soon.

Happy new year all

 

[Bartmasta]

I respect the admins for working hard on rev 3 but you can't just say, we thought about this and no one used the test server so we're not changing it, to bad for you

 

people here are giving good ideas on how to improve rev 3 and you just sit and say, it's fine, learn to bench

 

EDIT: I just noticed that the system has been tweaked a bit. thanks!

[egm_xt]

Thanks for taking care of this issue so quickly! Actually while I was having a hard time to write the post about it you were working on

it

[Bartmasta]

sorry for the double post but what I still think is a problem is how theres a huge difference in points between something and 0.1

 

for example 9600 gt 1GB in 3d vantage

 

1.5

1.2

0.1

0.1

0.1

 

I think it should be more like

 

1.5

1.2

0.7

0.3

0.1

[Steven86]

Nice refresh , hope you guys sort all the little bugs out soon

 

Is it possible to add a click button that allows me to see current world records from a specific platform? Being AMD or Intel in all benches.

[Advanced]

Are the HWBoints somehow buggy or did you guys changed anything?

Me and my team now have some more points again without doing anything.

[Sam__]

as advanced said:did something change? i seem to have gained some hw boints?

 

also, would it be possible to add filtering by number of cores instead of number of sockets in the cpu search?

[Guest cowgut]

hey hwbot and forums look very good now...good job.

[PeterStoba]

Not quite sure but this appears to be bugged - http://hwbot.org/listResults.do?cpuModelId=2009&applicationId=13&filterUser=true&filterBlocked=true&limit=100

 

Coolaler appears twice? Surely that's not right?

 

Also, will the hall of fame ever become more space or spread out, with a bigger font or something? It seems very compact and difficult to browse.