slamms Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 Massman, we are waiting official decision. Please use first small "s" for my nickname. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumo Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Try to be the fastest wit all cost...what a fxkng joke:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Fyi, this might be related to the GTL version and not the board. We are still trying to recreate the BCLK/MEM ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraRaptor Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Why you are trying to recreate this but not John Lam? You made gnidaol to prove his honesty himself while trying to prove Lam's innocence yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Yes, because it's a completely different scenario. Gnidaol/rbuass were accused of result sharing, the JL BCLK/MEM problem is just a technical thing. John Lam mentioned he uploaded the wrong score because they got mixed up. He had mistaken his own 4min49s run with ES with Mad's retail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Ney Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) I have the old GTL version Uploading now, when you sign in msn I send it to you EDIT: Sent it to you via email Edited August 27, 2012 by Christian Ney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Is it against the rules to say you are using a component you weren't? Stating it was a Gigabyte board, whilst using Asus, to impress Gigabyte...... Dumb, yea. Are there still strong suspicions of hardware/score sharing as well? Edited August 27, 2012 by K404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.nfraR.ed Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 John Lam mentioned he uploaded the wrong score because they got mixed up. He had mistaken his own 4min49s run with ES with Mad's retail. The only result he has with the ES chip is the cpuz frequency submission. I wonder why. Pi1M, Pi32M, WP32, WP1024 are all retail chip results. They are all messed up with Mad's retail or it's just a diffrent cpu from his ES? Yeah, I know it could be different cpu, but the explanations are still not convincing enough (or at all) to me. And I agree with people saying that it's not fair to require a live session for the Brazilian guys and nothing similar for these results from HKEPC. Plus they should have plenty of LN2 and resources to do it, while other people hardly ever buy new hardware and don't use as much LN2 as they want. Not that it will be a 100% prove, when we know the fact they have more than two 6.8 - 6.9 Pi32M chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffline_85 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Confused? for such a mixed 12 and Diablo_80 received a one-year ban. What are they better or worse than these guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffline_85 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 suggest that the administration require them video during the month (last?), otherwise the ban. This is the most gentle and fair decision in this case, although I would have done in their place, much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 The difference to others is they are sponsort and pro overclockers... The only thing what is really fair is ban than for 1 year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Okay, mystery clock problem solved. It all comes down to software and clock spectrum. With the right tools, you can set any frequency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraRaptor Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Do you think JL was using all those tricks just to get ASUS-like mem clock on Giga?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 No, I'm just proving that slamms not correct when he said that Gigabyte mainboard cannot do that memory clock and that he "proved" John Lam was fooling vendor/oc community. See post #83. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamms Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 No, I'm just proving that slamms not correct when he said that Gigabyte mainboard cannot do that memory clock and that he "proved" John Lam was fooling vendor/oc community. See post #83. Please compare submitted results date and publication for latest GTL (your version). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbuass Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Friends from Hwbot!!! I can not agree what you show us!!! "John Lam mentioned he uploaded the wrong score because they got mixed up". Since me and Gnidaol was required to prove in a live stream (AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT SO, DIFFERENT BOARDS, DIFFERENT TIMINGS, DIFFERENT VGA CLOCKS, DIFFERENT BIOS, DIFFERENT SSD, DIFFERENT VALIDATION KEYS, AND SO ON)... Plus... Even was mandatory for us to use tha same background and hardware...what force to be many more similar Plus If we coud not reach results today we were cheaters Plus LN2 and hardware is many more expensive Sorry to tell you... one size to all;;; I see no difference to require to do the same in a Live Stream. Please attempt I did not accuse MAD but same people request from Gnidaol, can be fit to John Lam. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Please compare submitted results date and publication for latest GTL (your version). The problem is SSC Spectrum, which is set in BIOS. It has nothing to do with GTL software version. SSC Spectrum is default 0.13% and will give 1207.3MHz memory clock at 109.79MHz BCLK, but when set to 0.16% it will give 1206.8MHz with 109.79MHz BCLK. The SSC Spectrum is set in the BIOS and vendors can choose their own value. It can be changed in BIOS as well as through software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Friends from Hwbot!!!I can not agree what you show us!!! "John Lam mentioned he uploaded the wrong score because they got mixed up". Since me and Gnidaol was required to prove in a live stream (AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT SO, DIFFERENT BOARDS, DIFFERENT TIMINGS, DIFFERENT VGA CLOCKS, DIFFERENT BIOS, DIFFERENT SSD, DIFFERENT VALIDATION KEYS, AND SO ON)... Plus... Even was mandatory for us to use tha same background and hardware...what force to be many more similar Plus If we coud not reach results today we were cheaters Plus LN2 and hardware is many more expensive Sorry to tell you... one size to all;;; I see no difference to require to do the same in a Live Stream. Please attempt I did not accuse MAD but same people request from Gnidaol, can be fit to John Lam. Thanks Your problem had a free trip to Taiwan as prize whereas this is "just" at hwbot. There's a difference in size ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamms Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 The problem is SSC Spectrum, which is set in BIOS. It has nothing to do with GTL software version. SSC Spectrum is default 0.13% and will give 1207.3MHz memory clock at 109.79MHz BCLK, but when set to 0.16% it will give 1206.8MHz with 109.79MHz BCLK. The SSC Spectrum is set in the BIOS and vendors can choose their own value. It can be changed in BIOS as well as through software. Please kindly explain why need change SSC Spectrum for extreme overclocking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der8auer Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 There is no need but it can vary within the BIOS versions. Massman just showed that it's possible to reach 1206.8 MHz DRAM freq on every mainboard. It just depends on BIOS version and software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffline_85 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Why proofs involved Massman, not J.L.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Why proofs involved Massman, not J.L.? Because I want to verify things for myself and not rely on the opinion of others to jump to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbuass Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Your problem had a free trip to Taiwan as prize whereas this is "just" at hwbot. There's a difference in size ... I believe MANY MORE AND BIGGEST problem to me, was not the PRIZE...and my name...my moral....my ethic. Not the prize.... plus, I consider Hwbot more important than a free trip to Taiwan. Further, I am going to Taiwan to an overclocking competition...not to Vacations... Brazil to Taiwan to compete = more time inside aircraft than in Tw ... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamms Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 The problem is SSC Spectrum, which is set in BIOS. It has nothing to do with GTL software version. SSC Spectrum is default 0.13% and will give 1207.3MHz memory clock at 109.79MHz BCLK, but when set to 0.16% it will give 1206.8MHz with 109.79MHz BCLK. The SSC Spectrum is set in the BIOS and vendors can choose their own value. It can be changed in BIOS as well as through software. Also please can do screen what is SSC Spectrum? I dont know about it and we cant see/find it in BIOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristidis Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I believe that Slamms and Rbuas they are 100% right. Also for me its quiet impossible to find 2 cpu’s that they are play exactly the same. And another think why don’t you ask them to play live with those two cpu’s and of course on Giga boards. This way I think that everything will be clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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