FM_Jarnis Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 We've made an announcement today about some changes that are coming to Futuremark ORB before the launch of the upcoming 3DMark 11. As a short summary, the key points are; - Old ORB will be gone - There will be a whole new system for submitting and browsing results, rewritten from scratch - Support for legacy benchmarks will be retired Full text can be found here: http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136472 Please post any feedback, comments or questions on the Futuremark forum thread or, if you prefer, email it to info [at] futuremark.com Quote
Massman Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 Looking forward to a speedier ORB . Retiring support for the older benchmarks is a pity, though. Hardcore overclockers are still loving the 3DMark01 and I think it'll be around for a lot longer than anyone can estimate. Maybe we can help out with that benchmark. //EDIT: "those benchmarks" Quote
Christian Ney Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 (edited) WTF, I just bought a week ago all FM licenses/key. Have I paid for nothing ? Edited October 21, 2010 by Christian Ney Quote
Crew Turrican Posted October 21, 2010 Crew Posted October 21, 2010 This means that the new service will not support 3DMark 2001 SE, 3DMark03, 3DMark05, PCMark 2002 or PCMark04. 05 as well? that's crappy. Quote
TaPaKaH Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 i guess it's all about vantage-marketing these days... Quote
FM_Jarnis Posted October 21, 2010 Author Posted October 21, 2010 I'm just the messenger here - I suggest you read the full announcement on FM forums and post your feedback there. It will be read, by the people who make the decisions. What I posted is the current plan and the announcement of said plan was made well in advance so our community can give their feedback on this. Quote
Brian y. Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 so how will the validation process of these benchmarks be done? Are you guys going to have to retire them? This sucks:( Quote
Mean Machine Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 Release the validation process for the older versions to HWbot and other websites who wish to authenticate results instead of doing that yourself. The older 3DMark versions will maybe not be missed on the ORB as much as we'd miss being able to verify their validity for competition purposes on HWbot and other sites, whereever applicable. Yes, I write like a junkie, chronical jetlag. Quote
Massman Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 so how will the validation process of these benchmarks be done? Are you guys going to have to retire them? This sucks:( Not per definition. There are always solution to problems. Hence why I'm trying to reach out to FM rather than start panicking, swearing or crying Quote
Brian y. Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 Not per definition. There are always solution to problems. Hence why I'm trying to reach out to FM rather than start panicking, swearing or crying Great! I knew I could count on Lord Massman to save the day:D Quote
Gomeler Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 If Futuremark is willing to selectively release the validation procedure I'm willing to tinker away to develop a validation and database application. Let's find a proper solution to this issue. Quote
der8auer Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 Lol and i bought all those versions only to have the online validation... I realy dislike that decision. Massman you are the man Thx! Quote
jmke Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 Release the validation process for the older versions to HWbot and other websites who wish to authenticate results instead of doing that yourself. The older 3DMark versions will maybe not be missed on the ORB as much as we'd miss being able to verify their validity for competition purposes on HWbot and other sites, whereever applicable.. ^^ +1 vote for this approach. Quote
1Day Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 Release the validation process for the older versions to HWbot and other websites who wish to authenticate results instead of doing that yourself. The older 3DMark versions will maybe not be missed on the ORB as much as we'd miss being able to verify their validity for competition purposes on HWbot and other sites, whereever applicable. This is a very good idea and I hope that they would consider it. There certainly is talent in our community that could make it work. Quote
Christian Ney Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 I have got an idea.......the idea is coming...........here it is : During these 4 weeks all overclockers will add a lot of validations online of 3DM01, 3DM03 3DM05 :D:D:D. That will pwned FM Ho and I am not joking Quote
chuchnit Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 If FM will give hwbot the validation info, could it be possible that hwbot could dive deeper into the .3dr file for validation? This could eliminate some of the crying about hw sharing if the validation went as deep as FM did during the MSI comp. Just go that deep into all validations. Quote
Dualist Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 If FM will give hwbot the validation info, could it be possible that hwbot could dive deeper into the .3dr file for validation? This could eliminate some of the crying about hw sharing if the validation went as deep as FM did during the MSI comp. Just go that deep into all validations. I think thats why fm are re-coding everything now to stop this but the old .3dr file doesn't contain enough info to do it. Quote
Massman Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 If FM will give hwbot the validation info, could it be possible that hwbot could dive deeper into the .3dr file for validation? This could eliminate some of the crying about hw sharing if the validation went as deep as FM did during the MSI comp. Just go that deep into all validations. FM was able to detect score sharing, not hardware sharing. No software currently on the market is able to separate individual samples. Intel, AMD and Nvidia have software that can recognise on sample basis (eg: your 980X has different ID than mine), but for security reasons that software does not leave the company. Quote
Massman Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 Also, I don't think people really grasp the consequences of companies such as Futuremark being able to detect what exact sample you're using. If any company is able to lay their hands on black-on-white evidence that you have killed your CPU by overclocking, thus voiding warrenty terms, you will see a lot of people getting their RMA ignored. Obviously, when this would happen, people would complain about how evil corporations are again ... Quote
FM_Jarnis Posted October 21, 2010 Author Posted October 21, 2010 FM was able to detect score sharing, not hardware sharing. No software currently on the market is able to separate individual samples. Intel, AMD and Nvidia have software that can recognise on sample basis (eg: your 980X has different ID than mine), but for security reasons that software does not leave the company. Not entirely true, but I'll leave it at that to avoid giving cheaters any pointers. Quote
K404 Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 If FM can detect hardware sharing if given a nod towards which scores to look at, i'm all for it. As for companies rejecting RMA for proven hardcore overclocking.... why should we ever complain? It's against warranty, we should take responsibility for our actions. As for the OP itself, as I posted on XS, please can you answer the following: Will this mean that people who use the free version of 3D05 will NOT be able to see their scores? Will it still be possible to buy 3DMark05? (if there will be no support, I actually hope NOT) Will all existing submitted scores be deleted? (3D05 is the most important one here as 3D01 and 03 will show a score... ORB validation is a separate issue. What is HWBots stance on using cracked copies of 3DM05 so that users can see their scores? Do FM understand that this decision, as it stands, will mess with competitive benchmarking? Quote
ME4ME Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 this actually isn't that supricing at all.. think about it, which company is willing to put money into an old product which they don't gain anything from anymore...its quite simple. Anyway... removing scores and features of 3dmark 01/03/05 would really be sad for the overclocking community.. Ive no clue where the actuall cost are made at futuremark... but wouldnt it work just to remove the database (which i assume is the most expensive part?) and only have some sort of online validator left? ... like for example making it possible for users to validate, take a screenshot of it, and thats it. anyway.. another reason for HWbot to also look for other nice benchmarks out there. if you ask me, HWbot may as well start giving points for Heaven benchmark asap Quote
tiborrr Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 It will be a sad day when '01 ORB will quietly go down. New age 'clockers' won't probably even blink an eye over it. I will weep and mourn. Quote
Planet Posted October 21, 2010 Posted October 21, 2010 For some reason it wont let me post on that thread. Killing 3DMark 2001 SE, 3DMark03, 3DMark05 may kill Futuremark with all the overclockers. Quote
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