superpatodonaldo Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 Hi everybody I noticed that the incoming divisions include coffeelake, non-sense imho i7 now is 6/12 vs "older" 4/8 i5 now is 6/6 vs "older" 4/4 i3 now is 4/4 (and better L3 cache) vs "older" 2/4 so, they will be just coffee challenger? Quote
Administrators websmile Posted January 30, 2018 Administrators Posted January 30, 2018 We can´t stop progress and we cannot make 20 divisions. 8700K will be division I and so on Quote
superpatodonaldo Posted January 30, 2018 Author Posted January 30, 2018 don't want to stop progress (sadly by now marking i7 or i5 or i3 a cpu doesn't mean nothing about core number as before) but everybody understand that more-core chips always will win vs less-core chips maybe not-multithreads benchs (e.g. pifast, superpi, geek3/4 single, am3, 3dm01, 3dm03, 3dm05, UHB, UHX....) will make more attractive the battle; or to divide the bench result for core number just my thought Quote
Administrators websmile Posted January 30, 2018 Administrators Posted January 30, 2018 We thought a lot about this, but we will not change things anymore. When skylake came, same core count Haswell and DC became more or less worthless, when 7350k came i3s were worthless, when ryzen came all older amd were junk. Some of the stages are single core or gpu limited, others are multicore and on one or two I made core division, but coffeelake is released for half a year now and we cannot limit it especially when you know that for older single threaded benches coffeelake does not support xp Quote
superpatodonaldo Posted January 30, 2018 Author Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) no problem, just share my thought and understand what people think about that for example, ryzen already have 2 own divisions, div IV for ryz 7 and div V for ryz 5 Edited January 30, 2018 by superpatodonaldo Quote
Members GeorgeStorm Posted January 30, 2018 Members Posted January 30, 2018 Yeah it's a shame but I can understand the reasoning, people are already bad enough for meeting the rules, so moving away from the easy i3/5/7 would just add to the nightmare for moderators Quote
unityofsaints Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 People would have been much more annoyed if Coffee Lake had been banned yet again. Jeeze, you just can't please people. Quote
superpatodonaldo Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 no need to be banned, just their own divisions or to be balanced with less-core-but-same-class-chips (i7 i5 i3) Quote
unityofsaints Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 no need to be banned, just their own divisions or to be balanced with less-core-but-same-class-chips (i7 i5 i3) Current-gen Intel already has 1 more division than current-gen AMD: i7 / i5 / i3 vs. R7 / (R5+R3). Do you really want to inflate that to 6 vs. 2 divisions? Quote
jab383 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Differences in number of cores is usually handled by "per core" scoring as Websmile mentioned. As long as "per core" is applied to all the stages sensitive to core count, the playing field is nominally leveled. We don't have to rush about in a panic looking for binned CoffeeLakes, or worse, the very few and now rare OC motherboards for the unique CPU pinout. The Pro OC stages have an even worse issue with the wide range of core counts among Skylake-X CPUs. I'm looking forward to seeing notes on the stage pages about the "per core" scoring. Quote
superpatodonaldo Posted February 1, 2018 Author Posted February 1, 2018 Current-gen Intel already has 1 more division than current-gen AMD: i7 / i5 / i3 vs. R7 / (R5+R3). Do you really want to inflate that to 6 vs. 2 divisions? not sayd that, maybe my poor english doesn't help me to correct express my thought; ryzen example was just for show difference between div IV-V and div VI just want to say that (for example) 6 core and 4 core cpus should not be in the same division unless result be handled by "per core" (in multithreaded 2d benchs) As I remember in challenger divisions results never be handled by per core Quote
Administrators websmile Posted February 1, 2018 Administrators Posted February 1, 2018 OK, there will be no wallpapaer anymore for Challengers. Happy benching Quote
Gunslinger Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 OK, there will be no wallpapaer anymore for Challengers. Happy benching Quote
Gunslinger Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 What about the Pro OC side, wallpapers needed or no? Quote
Administrators websmile Posted February 1, 2018 Administrators Posted February 1, 2018 No wallpapers for any division Quote
jab383 Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 I just noticed a change in DIV I restrictions. Instead of allowing only i7, the restrictions now prohibit 2011, 2011-3 and 2066 sockets. DIV II and III still allow only i5 and i3 respectively. The effect appears to be that i3 CPUs like 7350K can be used in DIV I. The two-core processors could have a competitive place in the challenge if their PER CORE scores are high. Do PER CORE stages use the number of cores in the actual CPU (2 for 7350K) or is PER CORE scaling limited to 6 and 4 cores for the i7s? Quote
Administrators websmile Posted February 1, 2018 Administrators Posted February 1, 2018 HEDT was always forbidden at challenger I - the problem is configuration does not work because i7 is not submittable for what reason it may be Quote
Members GeorgeStorm Posted February 1, 2018 Members Posted February 1, 2018 I just noticed a change in DIV I restrictions. Instead of allowing only i7, the restrictions now prohibit 2011, 2011-3 and 2066 sockets. DIV II and III still allow only i5 and i3 respectively. The effect appears to be that i3 CPUs like 7350K can be used in DIV I. The two-core processors could have a competitive place in the challenge if their PER CORE scores are high. Do PER CORE stages use the number of cores in the actual CPU (2 for 7350K) or is PER CORE scaling limited to 6 and 4 cores for the i7s? There are per core stages? Quote
Crew Leeghoofd Posted February 1, 2018 Crew Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) No wallpapers for any division Not good, expect back up score galore... Sorry I can not find myself in this decision... I have no clue what the competitors find about this but I would strongly advise to use a new background Edited February 1, 2018 by Leeghoofd Quote
Mr.Scott Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 Not good, expect back up score galore... Sorry I can not find myself in this decision... I have no clue what the competitors find about this but I would strongly advise to use a new background Totally agree. Bad idea. Quote
yosarianilives Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 Main thing is if there is a background requirement it needs to show up immediately. I know several people that are benching on ln2 this weekend and would be disappointed if it were worthless for the comps. Quote
ozzie Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) youve had enough trouble already havent you, and you want more ??? have no background for the comp div's and see what trouble youll have to deal with, honestly boys, honestly, this is getting more ridiculous by the day with all the hap hazard decisions being made , might as well make rev 8 now and try that one i would think at "least" your "team background" should be a mandatory Edited February 2, 2018 by ozzie Quote
unityofsaints Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 If it's difficult to find someone to make the backgrounds I would suggest at least to have the correct date set in Windows. Lots of people have lots of old scores lying around... Quote
Crew Leeghoofd Posted February 2, 2018 Crew Posted February 2, 2018 https://www.dropbox.com/s/av3w0kamos75fgq/road-to-pro18-r3-d1.jpg?dl=0 Isn't this usable ? Quote
ozzie Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 who knows ? it'll be probably changed in the next days ahead ,..... but its fine by me !!!! Quote
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