Posted January 30, 20187 yr Hi everybody I noticed that the incoming divisions include coffeelake, non-sense imho i7 now is 6/12 vs "older" 4/8 i5 now is 6/6 vs "older" 4/4 i3 now is 4/4 (and better L3 cache) vs "older" 2/4 so, they will be just coffee challenger?
January 30, 20187 yr Administrators We can´t stop progress and we cannot make 20 divisions. 8700K will be division I and so on
January 30, 20187 yr Author don't want to stop progress (sadly by now marking i7 or i5 or i3 a cpu doesn't mean nothing about core number as before) but everybody understand that more-core chips always will win vs less-core chips maybe not-multithreads benchs (e.g. pifast, superpi, geek3/4 single, am3, 3dm01, 3dm03, 3dm05, UHB, UHX....) will make more attractive the battle; or to divide the bench result for core number just my thought
January 30, 20187 yr Administrators We thought a lot about this, but we will not change things anymore. When skylake came, same core count Haswell and DC became more or less worthless, when 7350k came i3s were worthless, when ryzen came all older amd were junk. Some of the stages are single core or gpu limited, others are multicore and on one or two I made core division, but coffeelake is released for half a year now and we cannot limit it especially when you know that for older single threaded benches coffeelake does not support xp
January 30, 20187 yr Author no problem, just share my thought and understand what people think about that for example, ryzen already have 2 own divisions, div IV for ryz 7 and div V for ryz 5 Edited January 30, 20187 yr by superpatodonaldo
January 30, 20187 yr Members Yeah it's a shame but I can understand the reasoning, people are already bad enough for meeting the rules, so moving away from the easy i3/5/7 would just add to the nightmare for moderators
January 31, 20187 yr People would have been much more annoyed if Coffee Lake had been banned yet again. Jeeze, you just can't please people.
January 31, 20187 yr Author no need to be banned, just their own divisions or to be balanced with less-core-but-same-class-chips (i7 i5 i3)
January 31, 20187 yr no need to be banned, just their own divisions or to be balanced with less-core-but-same-class-chips (i7 i5 i3) Current-gen Intel already has 1 more division than current-gen AMD: i7 / i5 / i3 vs. R7 / (R5+R3). Do you really want to inflate that to 6 vs. 2 divisions?
January 31, 20187 yr Differences in number of cores is usually handled by "per core" scoring as Websmile mentioned. As long as "per core" is applied to all the stages sensitive to core count, the playing field is nominally leveled. We don't have to rush about in a panic looking for binned CoffeeLakes, or worse, the very few and now rare OC motherboards for the unique CPU pinout. The Pro OC stages have an even worse issue with the wide range of core counts among Skylake-X CPUs. I'm looking forward to seeing notes on the stage pages about the "per core" scoring.
February 1, 20187 yr Author Current-gen Intel already has 1 more division than current-gen AMD: i7 / i5 / i3 vs. R7 / (R5+R3). Do you really want to inflate that to 6 vs. 2 divisions? not sayd that, maybe my poor english doesn't help me to correct express my thought; ryzen example was just for show difference between div IV-V and div VI just want to say that (for example) 6 core and 4 core cpus should not be in the same division unless result be handled by "per core" (in multithreaded 2d benchs) As I remember in challenger divisions results never be handled by per core
February 1, 20187 yr Administrators OK, there will be no wallpapaer anymore for Challengers. Happy benching
February 1, 20187 yr I just noticed a change in DIV I restrictions. Instead of allowing only i7, the restrictions now prohibit 2011, 2011-3 and 2066 sockets. DIV II and III still allow only i5 and i3 respectively. The effect appears to be that i3 CPUs like 7350K can be used in DIV I. The two-core processors could have a competitive place in the challenge if their PER CORE scores are high. Do PER CORE stages use the number of cores in the actual CPU (2 for 7350K) or is PER CORE scaling limited to 6 and 4 cores for the i7s?
February 1, 20187 yr Administrators HEDT was always forbidden at challenger I - the problem is configuration does not work because i7 is not submittable for what reason it may be
February 1, 20187 yr Members I just noticed a change in DIV I restrictions. Instead of allowing only i7, the restrictions now prohibit 2011, 2011-3 and 2066 sockets. DIV II and III still allow only i5 and i3 respectively. The effect appears to be that i3 CPUs like 7350K can be used in DIV I. The two-core processors could have a competitive place in the challenge if their PER CORE scores are high. Do PER CORE stages use the number of cores in the actual CPU (2 for 7350K) or is PER CORE scaling limited to 6 and 4 cores for the i7s? There are per core stages?
February 1, 20187 yr Crew No wallpapers for any division Not good, expect back up score galore... Sorry I can not find myself in this decision... I have no clue what the competitors find about this but I would strongly advise to use a new background Edited February 1, 20187 yr by Leeghoofd
February 1, 20187 yr Not good, expect back up score galore... Sorry I can not find myself in this decision... I have no clue what the competitors find about this but I would strongly advise to use a new background Totally agree. Bad idea.
February 1, 20187 yr Main thing is if there is a background requirement it needs to show up immediately. I know several people that are benching on ln2 this weekend and would be disappointed if it were worthless for the comps.
February 2, 20187 yr youve had enough trouble already havent you, and you want more ??? have no background for the comp div's and see what trouble youll have to deal with, honestly boys, honestly, this is getting more ridiculous by the day with all the hap hazard decisions being made , might as well make rev 8 now and try that one i would think at "least" your "team background" should be a mandatory Edited February 2, 20187 yr by ozzie
February 2, 20187 yr If it's difficult to find someone to make the backgrounds I would suggest at least to have the correct date set in Windows. Lots of people have lots of old scores lying around...
February 2, 20187 yr Crew https://www.dropbox.com/s/av3w0kamos75fgq/road-to-pro18-r3-d1.jpg?dl=0 Isn't this usable ?
February 2, 20187 yr who knows ? it'll be probably changed in the next days ahead ,..... but its fine by me !!!!
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