March 20, 20196 yr 14 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said: The legacy benchmarks is what started HWBot and the need for people to feel competitive and be rewarded for it. If you haven't or are not willing to run Legacy benchmarks, then (in my opinion not at any one here directly) your not a bencher. you haven't experienced it, you can't be it. Perhaps some game benchmarks to gather the gaming crowd. Lots of titles with built in benchmarks. Shit even Crysis. The old saying.... Can it run Crysis? lol. I don't like to compete in them anymore because at this point being competitive is more about who can bug them harder and not actual OC.
March 20, 20196 yr its a competition to beat another score. If I have the same tweaks as you, why would it matter. If you need advice for old hardware and legacy benchmarking, swing by warp9-systems.com and do some learning or relearning. If not, then perhaps some other teams forum. The way you word it.... Like people cheating. No.... Its people taking the time to use legal known tricks to beat your score that you where to lazy to tweak out a bit. Reservez rightz to pull man card. Instead of bitching about tweaks, try practicing them and then become an overclocker. (In general, not solely directed to you.) Wow you over clocked DDR4 on windows 10. Such a hard core oc addict man. (In general, not directed solely to you) But who ever said competition was easy any ways. Just because my Nike looks cooler than your reebok pumps, doesnt mean I can run faster.
March 20, 20196 yr Members There are ways to bug benches yes, but implying that's all it's about is wrong in my opinion. There are far more legit scores than not.
March 20, 20196 yr In my experience most software tweaks in legacy benches would be considered cheats if people chose to look into what they actually do. Great example being monitor pull in AM3 that was accepted as a tweak for years until it was found to just be a way to bug the bench or how LOD/Tess discard is allowed on old benches because it's undectible and not because it's considered "not a cheat". There's a reason it's not allowed on newer benches that can detect it. I think far too many tweaks are considered legit because people would rather be willfully ignorant to the possibility that their good score is due to a bug and not that they're a s00p3r l33t tweakzor
March 21, 20196 yr Here we can only play by the rules. If its accepted, then we deal with it. I personally like most of the benchmarks. Having variety is good. Nobody says you have to run x benchmark.
March 21, 20196 yr I mean you could consider hwboints a competition in itself, and so including benches that are questionably about overclocking into hwboints is unfair for those that would like to just OC and get hwboints. Stripping an OS is one thing, doing everything but change the .ini is another.
March 21, 20196 yr 7 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said: Just because my Nike looks cooler than your reebok pumps, doesnt mean I can run faster. What about your Vaporfly 4%?
March 21, 20196 yr So I guess going back to what this whole thread was about, I think if we want to push newer OS's the way is to promote newer benches like timespy that utiliize the newer OS as opposed to trying to make old benches work or drop them. I want legacy dropped for other reasons that I've stated already.
March 21, 20196 yr The old benches are mainly about cpu speed anyway. If your OC is correct you should/ could estimate where it scores.Bugged then you are a little high ranked right ... we get that. Monitor pulls, not a tweak. Those members bugging run on purpose, they know they cheat. As for Geekbench Fairly modern that bench, so all the members deliberately bug that " the scores are set in HWbot archive " Apply a fix up. Then no one from then onwards can match a previous score same hardware. Your loophole wizards are to blame not the bench.
March 21, 20196 yr AM3 and 3dm01 show us that it's more about "tweakz" than even cpu OC for legacy, and afaik every other legacy is the same. Newer benches are far more about overclocking than old ones are anymore.
March 21, 20196 yr 9 hours ago, yosarianilives said: I want legacy dropped for other reasons that I've stated already. So basically.....fuck the guys that like old hardware, as most cannot bench anything but legacy. I see how it is. Thanks. Edited March 21, 20196 yr by Mr.Scott
March 21, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Mr.Scott said: So basically.....fuck the guys that like old hardware, as most cannot bench anything but legacy. I see how it is. Thanks. I'm not concerned with running legacy on old hw, I'm concerned with running legacy on new hw. If continuing to allow pts for legacy was actually about supporting old hw we would see globals dropped from them; however no pts have been dropped from legacy benches which proves this argument is really about whether or not we should allow bugged benches to contribute to league rankings, where the answer is apparently yes. Why is it that every time I ask that we drop pts from benches with security akin to a bowl of candy with a sign "please take one" I get the warp9 squad down my throat about "muh old hw"? You argue a point that nobody is talking about every time and it distracts from what is actually being discussed. But if you'd really like a solution to your problem of "no benches run on my 8088" then I suggest you make an actually secure bench that will run on the old hw of choice then lobby that it get added to the bot with pts. If you can convince people to run it and prove that it has better security than most benches here (pretty low bar) then I'm sure it will get pts.
March 21, 20196 yr You get the W9 squad because you repeatedly try to muscle out anything legacy over and over again. Instead of applying the negativity toward legacy, why don'y you try to encourage HWB to actually do something about the loopholers and known cheats..............oh, that's right, you are a loopholer. My bad. That's fine. Go ahead and just promote new gen hard and software, so Jonny Gamer gets a chance to bench 1 time with his rig and leave never to be seen again. That'll bring in the new benchers for sure. Out with the old, in with the new. Works millennial fine. BTW, W9 ain't the only team that benchs old hardware. Edited March 21, 20196 yr by Mr.Scott
March 21, 20196 yr 9 hours ago, yosarianilives said: So I guess going back to what this whole thread was about, I think if we want to push newer OS's the way is to promote newer benches like timespy that utiliize the newer OS as opposed to trying to make old benches work or drop them. I want legacy dropped for other reasons that I've stated already. So state the reasons. Whatcha trying to hide? Entire team? Hardly but I bet we could summon a few more members here to explain to you what legacy means. You obviously dont get it...
March 21, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, yosarianilives said: AM3 and 3dm01 show us that it's more about "tweakz" than even cpu OC for legacy, and afaik every other legacy is the same. Newer benches are far more about overclocking than old ones are anymore. I'm happy to show you, would even video it....pick your card and let me find the same card, same platform "even new card" you and I both run all legacy benches....we both record each bench, full run.....Then we compare our runs ? We both run CPU at locked speed, this way I can show they not just CPU benches? Im up for this....are you?
March 22, 20196 yr You only use W10 for 3DMark TimeSpy/TSE and Port Royal. All other Benchmarks can be run on XP, Vista, W7, W7Embedded, W8/8.1/Server2012
March 22, 20196 yr 15 hours ago, yosarianilives said: I think if we want to push newer OS's the way is to promote newer benches like timespy that utiliize the newer OS I genuinely cant think of anything I want to do LESS than promote the latest OS. Windows 10 is a fucking pile of garbage.
March 22, 20196 yr 9 hours ago, yosarianilives said: I'm not concerned with running legacy on old hw, I'm concerned with running legacy on new hw. If continuing to allow pts for legacy was actually about supporting old hw we would see globals dropped from them; however no pts have been dropped from legacy benches which proves this argument is really about whether or not we should allow bugged benches to contribute to league rankings, where the answer is apparently yes. Why is it that every time I ask that we drop pts from benches with security akin to a bowl of candy with a sign "please take one" I get the warp9 squad down my throat about "muh old hw"? You argue a point that nobody is talking about every time and it distracts from what is actually being discussed. But if you'd really like a solution to your problem of "no benches run on my 8088" then I suggest you make an actually secure bench that will run on the old hw of choice then lobby that it get added to the bot with pts. If you can convince people to run it and prove that it has better security than most benches here (pretty low bar) then I'm sure it will get pts. Warp9 aye? Dude that's a tiny demographic for who uses modern combo's with old gpu's & benches. You see members rebench old gpu's everytime a faster processor comes out. Biggest contributors Russian team have done it. Myself? Why da fuck did I buy a x299 Evga Dark for? Legacy & XP support & old gpu's. Though I'm junk on that platform till I learn quad mem's better. I'll get around to it, 3D01se was a heap of fun when I started doing OC. Strip points as you say what incentive is there to run old benches then? __________ The Bullants challenge haha lookout I'm not revealing my crap efficiency. Agreed what member said above.
March 22, 20196 yr I highly doubt that any benchmark on Windows XP can be called secure. XP is not built with security (or stability ?) in mind, that's why it was nearly impossible for Antivirus tools to secure it. Securing benchmarks with a wrapper uses very similar techniques as Antivirus tools. Protecting processes, detecting changes in the memory of a process, Anti-Debugging measures and so on. With Windows 7 and above Microsoft provides more functionality that can be used to implement these features. On Windows 10 it's even easier. That's not all of course. There is the new driver model since Vista and a multitude of improvements to the kernel that all strengthen the security of the OS. I still think that the efficiency of the bench should decide the OS. That's the natural way of benching. The question is if a recompiled version of SuperPi for example can perform better on the latest Windows versions.
March 22, 20196 yr Crew We need wrappers for all of them popular benchmarks like the Cinebenches and Wprimes so these can be run on windows 8/10 and future OSses when being used with older gens Intel CPUs( pre skylake) and all of the AMD CPUs... For Superpi 32M I guess that's a lower priority, coz if its not on XP than eff is way off... 1M and Pifast is usually as fast on 7 than on XP
March 22, 20196 yr If your doing wrappers & all that to make it more secure, sure. But the benches have got to perform better. Fix of bad sentence follow on Edited March 22, 20196 yr by Guest
March 22, 20196 yr Crew So you want a wrapper that makes the benchmark more efficient... REALLY? WTF? I want a wrapper so that people don't need to mess with installs all the time and they can bench eg. Cinebench on Win8 on their AMD Ryzen CPUs, If its a bit less efficient than a run on windows XP or 7, so be it... if they want efficiency they have to make a benching OS... not get extra performance of a wrapper.... Really if I read more of them above comments I leave the bot as it is and will go fishing...
March 22, 20196 yr You grab x2 sentences OF MANY & combine of your understanding. Shit way out of context. " insert thumb down " Delete my bad writing. Edited March 22, 20196 yr by Guest
March 22, 20196 yr this edit. Make benchmarks as secure as you want. It's all too late, with the bugged/ cheated scores already entrenched in HWbot archive. That horse has already bolted. https://www.google.com/search?q=That+horse+has+already+bolted.&rlz=1C1ASRM_enAU792AU792&oq=That+horse+has+already+bolted.&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Edited March 22, 20196 yr by Guest
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