The REV4 public test server! (feedback welcome)

[NoMS]

How did you lose points?

 

http://uat.hwbot.org/user/nom_yeslinux

http://www.hwbot.org/community/user/nom_yeslinux?tab=profile

 

i don't know how i lose points, now looking my submissions and comparing points btw the 2 rev's to see what happened or maybe i'm missing something new?

Edited May 9, 2011 by NoMS

[Massman]

http://uat.hwbot.org/user/nom_yeslinux

http://www.hwbot.org/community/user/nom_yeslinux?tab=profile

 

i don't know how i lose points, now looking my submissions and comparing points btw the 2 rev's to see what happened.

 

Oh, ok. I see what happened. It's because we removed the HW cap and installed 'top-20'-rule instead. The way hardware points are allocated to your team total:

 

- Rev3: MAX(hardware points, 300)

- Rev4: SUM(top-20 most rewarding hardware scores)

 

Example: if you have 1000 0.1p submissions, your hw point contribution would be:

 

- Rev3: MAX(1000x0.1, 300) => 100p

- Rev4: SUM(25x 0.1) => 2.5p

 

In other words: "push harder" !

[NoMS]

Oh, ok. I see what happened. It's because we removed the HW cap and installed 'top-20'-rule instead. The way hardware points are allocated to your team total:

 

- Rev3: MAX(hardware points, 300)

- Rev4: SUM(top-20 most rewarding hardware scores)

 

Example: if you have 1000 0.1p submissions, your hw point contribution would be:

 

- Rev3: MAX(1000x0.1, 300) => 100p

- Rev4: SUM(25x 0.1) => 2.5p

 

In other words: "push harder" !

 

Understood.

Thanks for explanation Massman.

[K404]

Not sure if so much emphasis on hardware is good for the Enthusiast league... popular old stuff is more valuable than good current scores

 

 

Does the test server have options to search through each benchmark for global scores? I can't see it

 

For global leaderboards, is everyone in together, or is there a separate leaderboard for Pro, OC and Enthus?

Edited May 9, 2011 by K404

[matose]

The new hardware points rule is very nice, I like it

I also like that CPUz submission don't get global points, nice job guys!

[hokiealumnus]

Anybody else getting a 500 error?

 

HTTP Status 500 -

 

type Exception report

 

message

 

description The server encountered an internal error () that prevented it from fulfilling this request.

 

exception

 

javax.servlet.ServletException: Filter execution threw an exception

org.springframework.web.filter.HiddenHttpMethodFilter.doFilterInternal(HiddenHttpMethodFilter.java:77)

org.springframework.web.filter.OncePerRequestFilter.doFilter(OncePerRequestFilter.java:76)

org.springframework.web.filter.CharacterEncodingFilter.doFilterInternal(CharacterEncodingFilter.java:88)

org.springframework.web.filter.OncePerRequestFilter.doFilter(OncePerRequestFilter.java:76)

root cause

 

java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space

note The full stack trace of the root cause is available in the Apache Tomcat/6.0.16 logs.

 

Apache Tomcat/6.0.16

[K404]

It would be nice to see CPU-Z back with global points It's also the one cheap global leaderboard. Is it because the best scores (Netburst) aren't relevant now compared to SB, GT?

[hokiealumnus]

Well, it's not a 500 error any more; now it's a 502

 

Bad Gateway

 

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) Server at hwbot.org Port 80

[Massman]

That's because the server is overloaded with users connecting. Fixes itself after some time.

[hokiealumnus]

Ahh, gotcha. I'll try later. Thanks!

[Massman]

Not sure if so much emphasis on hardware is good for the Enthusiast league... popular old stuff is more valuable than good current scores

 

Does the test server have options to search through each benchmark for global scores? I can't see it

 

For global leaderboards, is everyone in together, or is there a separate leaderboard for Pro, OC and Enthus?

 

The enthusiast league is mainly to engage new members to push their system harder.

 

Just click on a benchmark and go to the rankings tab: http://uat.hwbot.org/benchmark/wprime_1024m

 

Currently, everyone is still together. We have a few options to make the split-up even more effective, but we want to await complaints/feedback to see which would be the best solution.

[saint19]

502 Bad Gatewey error....full server I guess.

 

So, now my boints are like 50. What's the difference between Amateur league and Enthusiast league?

[Trouffman]

Will test tonight when the server will be back to normal

 

And it's time for a new tweet >

 

He he

[Lippokratis]

so far so good (more when the server is back online ), but

 

I also removed global points from CPU-Z validation

this is no good idea. the cpu-z global list is the only one where you can make good globals points without spending hundreds of dollar and using the newest hardware. it is nice to have such old hardware that gives you a benefit in one benchmark.

 

Not giving global results to CPU-Z makes sense, though. Comparing frequency has only value if you compare it to similar hardware. 7000MHz with Gulftown is much more impressive than 7000MHz with Cedar Mill.

if you use this as a reason, than no Benchmark can have global points, because as an exampe a GTX570 is an other architecture than a 8800gtx and to get 60k in 03 with a 8800gtx is much more impressive than with a gtx570.

 

so please keep global points for cpu-z and dont make it one CPU benchmark (global) less. there are to many GPU Benchmarks compared to the CPU Benchmarks

[Massman]

so please keep global points for cpu-z and dont make it one CPU benchmark (global) less. there are to many GPU Benchmarks compared to the CPU Benchmarks

 

Fyi, I actually calculated the amount of points you have if you're #1 everywhere

 

CPU -> 38109,4

GPU -> 27993,1

 

In other words: more rankings for GPU, but more points for CPU rankings

[hokiealumnus]

Thank you, it's MUCH faster now. Even faster than the main Rev.3 page. (Static databases will do that.)

 

I'm upset with you Massman. Madshrimps passed us in the new revision. Our hard-earned place above XS was also lost. Consider your team targeted sir!

[Massman]

Thank you, it's MUCH faster now. Even faster than the main Rev.3 page. (Static databases will do that.)

 

I'm upset with you Massman. Madshrimps passed us in the new revision. Our hard-earned place above XS was also lost. Consider your team targeted sir!

 

 

Shouldn't be that difficult, I think. I was actually surprised Madshrimps was ranked higher; my guess it's because we have Gamer covering a lot of different hardware rankings.

 

But ... game on!

[Quake]

Fyi, I actually calculated the amount of points you have if you're #1 everywhere

 

CPU -> 38109,4

GPU -> 27993,1

 

In other words: more rankings for GPU, but more points for CPU rankings

 

Why then don't include 3D Mark 11 for points instead to cut cpu points?

 

CPU-Z is great to bench, when you need to push it to the end, I would really like to see it as global points

[Massman]

Why then don't include 3D Mark 11 for points instead to cut cpu points?

 

CPU-Z is great to bench, when you need to push it to the end, I would really like to see it as global points

 

Because we're not trying to reach equality between points you can get with CPU and GPU. Fyi, these are the benchmarks that did not have any points before, but which have hardware points enabled on the test server:

 

- PCMark04

- Reference clock

- Memory clock

- PCMark Vantage

- Heaven DX9

- 3DMark 11 Performance

 

Just for testing.

[Christian Ney]

hum I don't see any points for

 

- PCMark04

- Reference clock

- Memory clock

- PCMark Vantage

- Heaven DX9

- 3DMark 11 Performance

 

 

Where is the magic (recalculate best submissions'' button ?

Edited May 9, 2011 by Christian Ney

[Strunkenbold]

In my opinion, Tec is not really extreme...

You buy a peltier for 20 bucks, use an old psu and there you go! There are even air coolers available using peltiers...

[NoMS]

Another question...

Will be another internationalization project for rev4?

Edited May 9, 2011 by NoMS

[cold.nut]

great looking site, i can't wait!

[SoF]

The rankings:

 

As for: the Overclockers League: the new algoritm has no hw cap. Instead of using a hardware cap, we've limited the hardware points contribution to your personal total to SUM(top-20 hw results). So, the maximum hw points you can reach is 20x50=1000p. But, to reach that, you'll have to be 1st in 20 highly competitive rankings!

 

Awesome idea of calculation! Also due to the limitation of TOP15 Benchmarks global even if there will be 3DM 2013, 2015, UH2, AM5 etc. you can focus on your TOP15 favourite benchmarks - GREAT!

 

Also I noticed I haven't lost places this time, it's more or less exactly the same as before - I have a certain balance of scores so this does fit quite good. I can climb up rankings with focusing on popular rankings.

 

If everyone is honest this will work very good, but when people sell outstanding hardware within the team (what I find legit if they pay "normal" prices) that could cause an unbalance in rankings. Also if you find a good let's say 775 chip or a nice VGA you pair with a good Sandy you'll go through the ranking like a hot knife through butter. it will be interesting to see how that will come out in the end.

 

Anyway the best guys will be able to hit 900-1000 hwboints with focusing on 20 good submissions and then it will be about global scores again so it is not a major issue at all. I smell a lot movement and tactics in the future as if you're not able to break the global score of sb you can still give him a big hit when you are able to crack his best hw-submissions.

 

I know it's a very hard point to discuss about but maybe at a certain point there will be field for a serial nr. or something to make sure that the same card/cpu isn't benched over and over again. Or set a limitation that max. 3 users of a team may have same serial used (inkl. at least one picture in on 3D submission with that card, e.g. mandatory when you first make a submission with a new card you haven't had before).

 

Need to read a bit more into it but the first impression is most important and it's damn good

I only hope the design will get a bit more "compact" - it looks very clean but everything is like twice as big as it must be or do I only feel so? Maybe it's made by intention as massman's eyes are not that good anymore?

(somebody expected a post without a side-poke on massman? you expected wrong! )

Edited May 9, 2011 by SoF

[masape]

I would like the logo change like google and with less "fear films".

 

The rest very good revision.