TJB_SC Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Hello guys. It's hardware sharing? Sumission with HD 4770 from Err0r and Poparamiro: http://hwbot.org/submission/2238247_err0r_3dmark2001_se_radeon_hd_4770_112410_marks/ http://hwbot.org/submission/2239443_poparamiro_3dmark2001_se_radeon_hd_4770_113043_marks/ Proofs: Submission with HD 3870x2 from Err0r and Poparamiro: http://hwbot.org/submission/2242272_err0r_aquamark_radeon_hd_3870_x2_404427_marks/ http://hwbot.org/submission/2243766_poparamiro_aquamark_radeon_hd_3870_x2_399095_marks/ Proofs: Submission with HD 4870 from Natchfalke and Poparamiro http://hwbot.org/submission/2236260_nachtfalke_3dmark05_radeon_hd_4870_41688_marks http://hwbot.org/submission/2252982_poparamiro_3dmark06_radeon_hd_4870_23799_marks Proofs: Submission with 8600GT from Poparamiro and Err0r http://hwbot.org/submission/2222789_poparamiro_3dmark2001_se_geforce_8600_gt_256mb_gddr3_78158_marks http://hwbot.org/submission/2245446_err0r_3dmark2001_se_geforce_8600_gt_256mb_gddr3_73531_marks Proofs: Submission with GTX 260 SP192 from Err0r and poparamiro (just some possibility) http://hwbot.org/submission/2224265_err0r_aquamark_geforce_gtx_260_192sp_407912_marks/ http://hwbot.org/submission/2226329_poparamiro_aquamark_geforce_gtx_260_192sp_391121_marks/ Proofs: Submission with 7600GT from Err0r and Poparamiro http://hwbot.org/submission/2234126_poparamiro_3dmark2001_se_geforce_7600_gt_pcie_gddr3_68232_marks http://hwbot.org/submission/2232485_err0r_3dmark2001_se_geforce_7600_gt_pcie_gddr3_59064_marks Proofs: It seems to me hardware sharing, if it's not, sorry! Those guys are from same country, 2 of them are from the same team, i'm not accusing the team or the country... Edited February 15, 2012 by TJB_SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbuass Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Sherlock Holmes High details to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 OMG....sharing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraRaptor Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think Romania has just the same issue we have here in KZ - just 2 or 3 big companies that import hardware and then resell it to retailers - we are limited here to just few brands and models. So that may be the reason they use the cards that look the same. Another thing to note is stickers and capacitors are not hand sticked/soldered - that is the reason stickers and capacitors are just the same)) The last thing to note is some models are well OC-able some are not - so everybody in the top is using just the same models and brands (like Lightning 275, Matrix 580 etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The 7600GT, GTX260 and the 4770 look the same to me. 7600GT: The B1 stamp is identical- squint. Also- the soldering for where the PCI-E plug *would* be is not clean....and identical. GTX260: RAM heatsink is not covering the right edge of the memory 4770: The hand-made ink marks on the capacitors are the same. The others...... can not say one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.nfraR.ed Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 For 4770, submissions are made in 4 days interval, but that can't be a valid argument alone. The PCB used is reference design. Most of the parts in the first picture are covered by the cooler, so not many things to explore - no visible stickers, serial numbers and so on. But...you can compare the marks on the capacitors, they are handmade. Position and thickness on visible capacitors seem to match, but you can't tell for sure without comparing all other caps. The six caps after the three chokes are not visible and they would give a better clue, due to the marks going outside caps' borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 The 7600GT, GTX260 and the 4770 look the same to me. 7600GT: The B1 stamp is identical- squint. Also- the soldering for where the PCI-E plug *would* be is not clean....and identical. GTX260: RAM heatsink is not covering the right edge of the memory 4770: The hand-made ink marks on the capacitors are the same. The others...... can not say one way or another. is very strange, if that is not shared, does not know what it is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Well, this is all quite obvious. The only note I want to make at this point is that they are not in the same team, which makes using the same hardware not a 'crime'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Didn't notice that. Err0r is not part of '501, so no crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB_SC Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Well, this is all quite obvious. The only note I want to make at this point is that they are not in the same team, which makes using the same hardware not a 'crime'. What about Natchfalke and Poparamiro? They are from same team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.nfraR.ed Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yep. Nachtfalke and poparamiro are in the same team. Only card posted here "shared" between them is HD4870. He could easily sell him the card, submissions are not in a 3-4 days interval. The card could be different as well. So, what about selling a card to a teammate, does it count as sharing (rules don't say anything about it, or I can't find it)? Asking for a future reference...I don't have the habit to sell anything benched if it's only one from a model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB_SC Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Can you show me where is that "team share" in HWbot rules? So we can share hardware with different teams to win points? Just it? We can share to win individually points and country points? If i got out from Fusion OC Team i can take Faster's 4x7970 and 3930k to win points? Edited February 15, 2012 by TJB_SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Can you show me where is that "team share" in HWbot rules? So we can share hardware with different teams to win points? Just it? We can share to win individually points and country points? If i got out from Fusion OC Team i can take Faster's 4x7970 and 3930k to win points? I rent it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massman Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 If i got out from Fusion OC Team i can take Faster's 4x7970 and 3930k to win points? Well, you can only submit results you obtained yourself. So, you can't take the scores. It's quite interesting you would ditch your team for your own point benefit ... if I was Faster, I wouldn't lend hardware to someone who is so 'loyal' to the team. //edit: also, just to be clear, obvious abuse will not be tolerated and result in bans. Of course, we should wait for the answers of Poparamiro and Err0r before jumping to those conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB_SC Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Well, you can only submit results you obtained yourself. So, you can't take the scores. It's quite interesting you would ditch your team for your own point benefit ... if I was Faster, I wouldn't lend hardware to someone who is so 'loyal' to the team. //edit: also, just to be clear, obvious abuse will not be tolerated and result in bans. Of course, we should wait for the answers of Poparamiro and Err0r before jumping to those conclusions. I just ask it to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB_SC Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Massman Can you modify HWbot rules? In General Rules don't says that "hardware sharing" is (lightly) permited for people which is not in the same team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokiealumnus Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 They'll add it to the list (just poking fun with this one...I'm told by reliable sources that revised, cohesive rules are being worked on). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knopflerbruce Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Remember that we're volunteers:) Plus that we have other HWBot related things to do as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaPaKaH Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 while we're on the subject of suspicious things being done in Romania, I'm somehow impressed by consistency of massive aircooled GPU clocks some examples: 7800GTX 256 at 675MHz with LN2 average of 647 8800GTS 320 at 828MHz 9600GT at 950MHz HD3870 at 1120MHz with LN2 average of 1107 HD4830 at 980MHz wit LN2 average of 969 HD4870 at 990MHz with LN2 average of 1003 HD5850 at 1120MHz with LN2 average of 1147 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) To add to that and keep the same layout: 9800GTX+ @ 972MHz Unigine DX9 Cascade average = 995MHz 8800GTS 512MB @ 950MHz 3DMark06 Water average = 855MHz. 8800 Ultra @ 810MHz Unigine DX9 Cascade average = 847MHz I have good cards and NONE of them get close to those MHz. It would be pretty sweet to see a video of a bench run at those MHz. Edited February 15, 2012 by K404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolo 80 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I completely agree with Sam and K404!!!! Want to see a video of a bench run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hondacity Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 this doesn't need any proof. obviously posting scores on air instead of subzero. this goes against the basic rule for the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstru Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 But of course, and I guess these are just some miracles, and obviously not true, since everything is that obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Video shows everything I would wanna see in a proof video. Ambient, GPU temp, voltage, benchmark run and MHz. Thanks for posting it up Poparamiro.... what voltages were you using for the G80 and G92 runs? Edited February 16, 2012 by K404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB_SC Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 Waiting for answers about the possible sharing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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