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let's push this :)

 

I'd suggest to create two sub-forums:

 

- Wanted

- For sale

 

Pretty much like on XS.

 

The question is how/whether we set up rules. There are two different solutions:

 

1. No rules. Users can sell their stuff and are responsible for everything themselfs. Act with a healthy mistrust and maybe ask for references or a copy of the ID-card.

2. We set up rules and moderate the forums. As long as we don't have several hundred threads per day I'm fine moderating this section. No silly and annoying rules but I prefer some "light rules" like on XS. A picture with nickname and date would be the most important rule for me as this keeps scammers away pretty well.

 

Regardless which way we go it would be awesome to have a kind of rating system like on other forums. So you can evaluate the trade afterwards - pretty much like on ebay.

 

So? :D

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let's push this :)

 

I'd suggest to create two sub-forums:

 

- Wanted

- For sale

 

Pretty much like on XS.

 

The question is how/whether we set up rules. There are two different solutions:

 

1. No rules. Users can sell their stuff and are responsible for everything themselfs. Act with a healthy mistrust and maybe ask for references or a copy of the ID-card.

2. We set up rules and moderate the forums. As long as we don't have several hundred threads per day I'm fine moderating this section. No silly and annoying rules but I prefer some "light rules" like on XS. A picture with nickname and date would be the most important rule for me as this keeps scammers away pretty well.

 

Regardless which way we go it would be awesome to have a kind of rating system like on other forums. So you can evaluate the trade afterwards - pretty much like on ebay.

 

So? :D

 

I would just copy the XS rules and call it a day.

 

FS and Wanted should be good enough.

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Heatware. 3rd party service that has been around since 1999, and started with enthusiasts.

 

I would just copy the XS rules and call it a day.

 

FS and Wanted should be good enough.

 

Both is fine to me :)

 

Waiting for PJ to post the word with two letters. And I'm not waiting for the "no" :D

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i've admin'd a fs section in my old gaming forum without too much issue. the best 'for sale' rules i've seen is with my home forum at OCAU. it's got a min 90 day forum membership before you have access to the FS section which trims out a lot of the bs vendors and to help, if a FS section is likely to go live here is a copy/paste of OCAU's rules, (for reference only):

 

1. Any person caught shill bidding and bumping each others threads in order to gain higher selling prices or generate false interest in items they are selling will be permanently banned from the forums.

2. The For Sale forum is to be used by private individuals only, who may offer things for sale on an "occasional" basis. It is not for vendors or professional traders (with the exception OCAU Sponsors).

3. Maximum of 2 concurrent ACTIVE* (see below for more details) threads in each of OCAU's trading forums.

4. An item can only be listed for sale once every seven days. Even if the original sale is 'finished' or you request the thread closed, you cannot create a new thread containing the same item until seven days after the previous thread was started.

5. NO NEW ITEMS. Please see the No selling of new goods section below.

6. NO SELLING FOR OTHERS - If you do not own it, you can't sell it! Some exceptions can be made for spouses/children - see below.

7. No Modded Consoles - We don't care if it is legal or not, it's not allowed here!

8. No mod-chips

9. No Flash Carts

10. No backup games

11. No MMORPG games or accounts (including Steam accounts)

12. We allow the the sale of Steam games where you buy a 4 pack and sell off the extras if you're looking to save a few bucks. Sure, buy a 4 pack, sell the extras. Looking to profiteer? Here's your complimentary thread closure.

13. CD/product keys for games may not be sold here.

14. If you have a stupid thread title (e.g. ****SALE SALE HOT STUFF*****) it WILL be edited or closed!

15. Links to sales on eBay, CarPoint etc. are not allowed.

16. If you are selling goods elsewhere, please don't offer them for sale here. If you have a thread closed due to this and decide to close/delete the other listing, you must wait a further 24hrs before re-posting it on OCAU. The only items that you're allowed to advertise elsewhere when you're advertising here are houses, cars and motorbikes.

17. No "Possible Sales" (EOI) - If it is not for sale right now, don't post it!

18. No selling firearms

19. No selling swords, knives or weapons of any kind

20. No selling lasers of any kind

21. No trading/selling alcohol/cigarettes

22. Selling of adult-only content (including pornography, and anything else prohibited to minors) is not allowed, as the age of the purchaser cannot be determined.

23. No selling Engineering Sample items

24. Selling equipment/software circumventing a TPM or NDA

25. Selling OEM software is prohibited

26. Do not start a thread in the For Sale forum with a link to eBay, Gumtree or other similar sites. A small link in your signature is allowed.

27. Please do not cross-post in the Trading Forums. If you don't get a response from the forum you have posted in, please report it to be closed before starting a another thread.

28. There is to be no feedback posted about members. We don't know the details of your transaction or who is telling the truth, and member feedback threads often become a 'he said, she said' affair.

29. If an administrator edits out an item in your thread, or even if he/she fixes your links, please do not remove their comments. They were made for a reason, and it's not your place to un-make them. Just leave them be.

30. If you're not bidding, making a genuine enquiry, or providing a link where the item can be found at a lower price, then do not post. More information on allowed post types is listed below.

31. If posting a price link, the item must be available (ie in stock, ready to ship) at a lower price than the price in the thread once shipping charges are taken into account.

32. Any discussion (including price/availability/avenues of purchase) for any item that isn't allowed to be sold on these forums, is also prohibited.

33. Tickets for any events, concert, sport etc can only be sold on these forums for the cost of the face value of the ticket (ie the original cost, not necessarily what you paid for it), plus the original booking fee if appropriate. If you want to sell it for more than the cost price please take your sale elsewhere.

34. The sale of single use items is allowed (e.g. CDs, DVDs, ink cartridges, toners, movie tickets etc.), but only in reasonable quantities. For CDs and DVDs - less than a spindle, for ink cartridges and toners - only one of each model number or colour, for movie tickets - a maximum of six.

35. You are not permitted to request, or offer, funds transfers in exchange for cash/DD via Paypal. For further details, see below.

36. The Price Check forum is, as its name suggests, for price checks. You are not permitted to sell, offer, bid, or sneakily get around these ("You've got PM") - infractions result in an immediate 24 hour ban.

37. Any software installed on a system listed for sale must include a valid license. If you don't have a license, uninstall the software and don't list it in the sale.

38. Express Post Bags/Stamps etc can no longer be sold on the forums. Please take them to the Post Office and ask them if they can reimburse you or sell them elsewhere.

 

Active Threads

 

Any sale which is less than 7 days old or has not been completed is considered active.

 

If you have completed a sale, please change the thread prefix to [sold] and report the thread so it can be closed. Do not remove the title or the contents of the first post.

 

Allowed Reply Types

 

Four types of replies are acceptable within For Sale threads:

 

Bids. Bids are expected to be reasonable - offers of $100 on an item with a $800 reserve will be considered trolling and will be removed. If the seller has listed a reserve and stated that they will not accept bids below the reserve, do not bid below the reserve. If you place a bid and win the auction you are expected to follow through with this; repeated failure to do so will result in a permanent ban from the trading forums.

 

Questions to the seller requesting specific information about the item for sale. Pointless or ridiculous questions (eg. asking for overclocking results on a cat) will result in a ban.

 

Links to a shop where the same item is available for a lower price, once shipping is taken into account. You can't link to an item that is out of stock, or something on eBay that's very cheap but has hugely inflated shipping charges.

 

Replies from sellers to any of the above.

 

If your post does not fit into one of these categories, please do not post at all. If you see a post that doesn't fit into these categories or that you think needs to be removed, please report it rather than responding to it.

 

Commercial Trading

 

It is important to remember that OCAU's trading forums are intended for occasional use by private individuals. As such, the quantities of any item you sell should be what we would expect a single individual to have on hand, which may vary from item to item.

 

This rule applies to all members, regardless of if they own a business - excepting sponsors and sales pre-approved by an administrator. This rule applies to *all* sales listed by a member. Selling, for example, 20 phones in 20 threads over three months is as much a commercial quantity as listing 20 phones in one thread, but selling 5 sticks of RAM in July, then another 5 the following June would not be regarded as a breach.

 

Members found to be selling commercial quantities of any item will be prevented from listing those types of item again, and breaches will result in immediate and permanent trading bans.

 

Engineering Samples

 

If you read here it is illegal to even own an Engineering Sample if you don't have a Intel NDA agreement.

 

OWNERSHIP. All right, title and interest in the intellectual property embodied in the Pre-Release Product, Pre-Release Software and accompanying materials, if any, are owned by Intel or its suppliers and licensor's and may be protected by copyright, trademark, patent and trade secret law and international treaties. Any rights, express or implied, in the intellectual property embodied in the foregoing, other than those specified in this Agreement, are reserved by Intel and its suppliers and licensor's. Nothing in this Agreement shall constitute a license of all or any part of the Pre-Release Product or of any right to sell, make, or have made the Pre-Release Product. You will keep the Pre-Release Product free of liens, attachments, and other encumbrances. You agree not to remove any proprietary notices and/or any labels from the Pre-Release Product and accompanying materials, if any (including but not limited to the engineering sample label), without prior written approval by Intel.

 

Firearms

 

The sale of firearms and ammunition is prohibited because we cannot be certain that the legal requirements are being met.

 

Selling equipment/software circumventing a TPM

 

Recently the Copyright Act has been amended to incorporate provisions dealing with equipment or software whose primary purpose is to circumvent a Technical Prevention Measure (TPM). OCAU cannot risk allowing the trade of such software or devices, nor equipment in which they are an integral component. Consequently sales of such devices will be closed.

 

Selling for others

 

Selling on behalf of other people is not allowed under any circumstances. If they want to sell something they can sign up and observe the 90 day rule. Exceptions can be made for spouses or children, if appropriate, however this should be rare.

 

Selling OEM Software

 

The sale of OEM software is not permitted without the media it is sold with. MSDN and other special license agreements specifically prohibit the sale of the keys/media provided as part of that agreement, and for the purposes of OCAU they are treated as OEM.

 

If you get a free coupon with a graphics card, or want to sell the OEM disk you bought with a PC without the computer itself, then you have to comply with the relevant licenses, which usually state that you need to sell the accompanying hardware.

 

As with other rules, this is a blanket rule regardless of specific cases where it may be allowed.

 

No selling of new goods

 

Unless you are a site sponsor, you are currently not permitted to sell brand new items on these forums. This includes unused goods, mostly new items, almost new things, exchanged items from RMA where a faulty item is replaced with a new item, or items still in their packaging. Opening the package does not count, nor does using it for a few minutes just so you can evade this rule. Items must be at least 7 days old and used throughout that period before they can be sold here. New items are allowed as part of a bundle, provided that they only form a very small part of it (eg. selling an iPhone with a spare unused screen protector) and that the bundle is not split; if it is split then the new item(s) must be removed.

 

eBay/sales on other sites

 

Links to auctions/sales on other sites such as eBay, Sold, etc are not permitted. If you are selling something, either sell it here, or don't talk about it here.

 

Selling on Other Sites

 

If you are selling something, either sell it here, or don't talk about it here. If you have a thread closed due to this and decide to close/delete the listing on the other site, you must wait a further 24 hours before re-posting it on OCAU. The only items that you're allowed to advertise elsewhere when you're advertising here are houses, cars/motorbikes.

 

Sale of accounts, contracts and similar items

 

When you sign up for accounts, be they phone, MMO, or something else, you generally agree to a set of terms and conditions which govern your use. These terms are a contract between you and the provider and can't be altered without the agreement (usually in writing) of both parties.

 

In the majority of cases, transfer of these accounts is not permitted and we have therefore implemented a blanket rule prohibiting the sale of these items on OCAU.

 

Currency Trades are Prohibited

 

What does this mean for you?

 

It means you can't:

 

* offer to trade real money for paypal funds

* request someone pay for something on paypal, and then DD them cash later

* request someone transfer you money on paypal, and then DD them cash later

* sell an item for low value in return for more money via paypal, and then a cash refund along with the low-value item

 

What will happen if you do?

 

Your thread will be closed, and you will be banned. There will be no exceptions, regardless of urgency.

 

Precautions to take when buying/selling

 

Please note: Neither OCAU nor its owners or administrators play any role in any sales. The following list of precautions are not guidelines, merely a list of things you may, or may not want to do.

 

1. Contact the buyer (or seller) via PM, and ask for their full name, current address and email, current home phone number, and current mobile telephone number. Ring both, and double check the person exists at both numbers. Cross-check the addresses in the White Pages and (if possible) match the home phone numbers. Check that the email address is valid. If they are a business, get their ABN and fax number too. In a worse case scenario, this info is essential. If the person sounds young, maybe ask for a parent's work no., mobile no., or consent.

 

If the number is private, it won't be in the White Pages. It's up to you then to trust them.

 

2. Ask the buyer/seller if they've traded with anyone else before, and get in contact with them to see what they thought of the trader.

 

3. If you are the buyer, get the users bank details - Account Name, BSB Number and Account number. If possible, ask for the branch name. It is possible to get the branch name and location out of the BSB - look at bsbnumbers.com. Cross-check this with their address. It IS possible they have made an account in another state, then moved, but again, the decision to trust them is up to you. Ring the bank and check the account is valid. Keep all receipt numbers of sent money. Check that the money was sent by asking the seller for the transaction number.

 

If you are the seller, do not send anything out until the money is in your account and cleared. As simple as it sounds, a lot of people send goods without waiting for the money to clear. Do not send if postage costs are missing, the amount is incorrect or only partially sent. If you need the extra precaution as a seller, ask for their bank details too. It's extra information to be provided to police if necessary. They will be able to get a lot of information out of valid bank account details.

 

If you are really paranoid, escrow is another choice. Basically, it involves a trusted third party company, which acts as a middle-man in the transaction. You send the money and the goods to the escrow, and the escrow sends the money and goods to the appropriate people. If you take this option it might be a fair idea to split the costs between both parties.

 

4. If you are selling, pack the goods properly. Nothing is worse then receiving a $400 video card in a tiny little plastic bag. Measure the boxes/goods, then get the postage costs. Add on a few bucks, and get some decent bubble wrap and box. Use registered post, since they chuck on insurance for free, keep all receipt no's and post. If they ask for express post, clarify with them. If they ask for a courier, ask specifically which company. If they offer a tracing service, use it. Basically, make sure you have some sort of insurance or genuine way to back up the delivery. Because if it fails, it's your arse. Take responsibility for damaged goods.

 

If you are buying, make sure you choose a decent type of delivery method to avoid trouble. Avoid normal post at all costs. There is no guarantee you will receive it, no insurance and up to a weeks wait. Express post is a bit better - its guaranteed next day, they have a small type of tracking system (good luck though), and its only a few dollars more. Registered Post is easily the best service from Auspost - They have up to $100 free insurance (more if you pay a little bit), proper tracking system, and it really doesn't cost that much.

 

Couriers are different matters. Both can cost quite a hefty fee, depending on how big the goods are and where they are going. Companies like Australia Post, FedEx, Mayne Logistics all offer pickup and deliver to the door services. If your goods MUST arrive at a certain time, date, hour - couriers are the best way to go, if you are willing to pay.

 

5. If there are any problems - consult the buyer directly FIRST. Ring them up, send an email, send them a PM. Don't fight about it in the public forums, it brings other people into it and makes it a huge scene. If you have taken all the precautions noted by now, the person would either be a REALLY fantastic scammer, or simply just made a mistake. Rectify everything carefully, and don't hesitate to call the police if weeks pass and you hear nothing. You do not have to sit by and be ripped off.

 

A useful thing to remember when considering purchasing an item:

 

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

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#5 ? Sometimes you get another item after RMA which you won't be needing.

 

if it's younger than 7 days and / or still sealed in the packet it's deemed new and folks can sell their gear elsware.. but that's on OCAU. obviously the above could be made as applicable or otherwise to a hwbot fs section if it were to go ahead.

 

i posted the rules to give mods who might not have had to admin sale threads before an idea of what other sites consider kosha.

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I quickly created some rules based on different forums to cover the most important points. Anything important missing? Mind that we don't have to cover every little thing. If there is a wrong topic we can always just delete it.

 

edit: find the current version here: http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=222708&postcount=75

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Sounds good, you should also consider following:

 

1. Location tags are a must in threads title (UK/US/AU/CA/EU).

2. No upping the price if there is competition over an item.

3. If thread has multiple items for sale they must be marked as SOLD after they are sold. Do not delete SOLD items.

4. Discussing price in a thread is not appropriate and may result in removal of the post and/or sanction.

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Sounds good, you should also consider following:

 

1. Location tags are a must in threads title (UK/US/AU/CA/EU).

2. No upping the price if there is competition over an item.

3. If thread has multiple items for sale they must be marked as SOLD after they are sold. Do not delete SOLD items.

4. Discussing price in a thread is not appropriate and may result in removal of the post and/or sanction.

 

The way XS is set up only the OP can reply to the thread, keeps it clean as it keeps conversations to PM's.

 

However one drawback to the way XS is setup is that the OP can not edit his posts, which sucks if you make a mistake when posting.

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Editing first post is needed to mark items sold, keeping sales organized.

 

With geniebens additions, that draft covers all the most important rules from OCF and a few additions like country tags which would be important here.

 

Stating payment terms in rules is important as well. If someone commits to buy, payment must be made within 24 hours unless arrangements are made with seller. Otherwise, slow payments or nonpayments can stop a seller from finding other buyers. Also gives a window of time for someone to make payment and be guaranteed that they get the item, not another buyer.

 

Users should also have the ability to move their own threads in these sections. Once all items are sold, they can move their own threads to the sold section, keeping the for sale forum clean and making less work for mods.

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Sounds good, you should also consider following:

 

1. Location tags are a must in threads title (UK/US/AU/CA/EU).

2. No upping the price if there is competition over an item.

3. If thread has multiple items for sale they must be marked as SOLD after they are sold. Do not delete SOLD items.

4. Discussing price in a thread is not appropriate and may result in removal of the post and/or sanction.

 

1. added to rules

2. added to rules

3. added to rules

4. added to rules

 

The way XS is set up only the OP can reply to the thread, keeps it clean as it keeps conversations to PM's.

 

However one drawback to the way XS is setup is that the OP can not edit his posts, which sucks if you make a mistake when posting.

 

I'd rather have the conversations in the thread itself as it keeps the deal more transparent. Also editing the first post keeps the thread clearer. Mods can see changes anyway if there would be any problems.

 

 

 

 

Once the rules are final I will create a topic which will include all required information highlighted as example. Should be pretty easy for everybody then to follow the rules :)

 

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current rules here: http://hwbot.org/forum/showpost.php?p=222761&postcount=85

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