Moose83 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Totally bunnyed up... Pro is Pro no matter if using retail or ES. Stop crying like an women;) In XOC there are also guyz that can spend 500$ each months or get free Hardware...others only can spend 50$ a months... But still is same league. So bin Haswell Chips and stop crying:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokiealumnus Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Absolutely not. First I am barred from OC League and have to compete in the Pro League. Once Pro League was gone, I now have to compete in the Pro Cup. All becuase I get one non-binned ES chip per generation. Now you want to make it so people like me can't participate in even the Pro Cup. Seriously rbuass, and I say this as someone who likes you and admires you, +1 to this: Come on Rbuass, you're a good bencher man but every time things don't go your way we get threads like this. Just get on and bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M.O.G. Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 As far as I know, average ES is still about the same like average retail. There is one specific batch that is slightly better for ES, but actually there are already a couple of 6.5G retail 3D chips floating around. Or to put it differently: ES is not per definition better than retail. It is just about binning. Apparently 7/100 retails are 6.5G. This discussion is ignorant, so let's hijack it with something better. So you are saying that 7 out of 100 is 6.5G? Doing my arithmetic on that, it means 1 out of 15 is 6.5G. That isn't bad odds for binning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWeez Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 This discussion is ignorant, so let's hijack it with something better. So you are saying that 7 out of 100 is 6.5G? Doing my arithmetic on that, it means 1 out of 15 is 6.5G. That isn't bad odds for binning. it is when that one is shipped to Russia and the other 14 to the rest of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWeez Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Did i also miss something here but how is it after only 5 days after launch you are able to say ES is better that Retail? How many retail samples do you have access to? how many have been tested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobnova Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 it is when that one is shipped to Russia and the other 14 to the rest of us Thankfully Intel made more than 15 4770ks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 No way, where did they get the resources ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Did i also miss something here but how is it after only 5 days after launch you are able to say ES is better that Retail? How many retail samples do you have access to? how many have been tested? Man you would be surprised lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreme Addict Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Did i also miss something here but how is it after only 5 days after launch you are able to say ES is better that Retail? How many retail samples do you have access to? how many have been tested? Some guys binned 100+ retails... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebanik Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Man you would be surprised lol So this thread exists because after testing 10-20 retail chips (or more?) he has not been able to get a decent chip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Vivi Posted June 7, 2013 Crew Share Posted June 7, 2013 i agree with rbauss in the sense that it is 'impossible' to compete against people who have access to 100 cpu's, but thats the whole point of PRO oc league and why im not competing in it yet . making it fair would mean to take out the 4 way titan stage and then vince wont have fun competing. so yea the rules are good the way they are. just give it time retail will be better evetually like always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movieman Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 The problem is there are ES's and then there are 'ES's".. Generally last bin ES's are the same stepping as the first retails and I'm talking Intel here. I ran into this myself with my E5-2687W C1 ES 8 core cpu's They are identical to the first retails and have no advantage over the retail chips. Now Intel did make some C0's that had unlocked multi's and those IMHO would and should not be used except to show the possibilities of what can be done but not subbmitted for points. Call it an honor thing if you will. That is the biggest problem I see here. There are prople here that in the pursuit of temporary fame or whatever you call it will stop at nothing just for records. My answer to them is what you win by cheating means nothing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Call it an honor thing if you will. Dave said the -H- word, that's it, it's all bricked now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWeez Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Some guys binned 100+ retails... are you really saying that from 100+ chips tested and there is not a single one worth any salt...? I have so many questions!! What method was used to bin? what batches were tested? where is the info? an effort that big must be published somewhere right? who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumo Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 ^^@ Computex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) edit by der8auer: Here was a realy retarded posting and I edited it. Thanks for not posting such stuff again. Edited June 7, 2013 by der8auer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbuass Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) edit by der8auer: Problem solved Edited June 7, 2013 by der8auer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmuckley Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 The ONLY thing that matters, long-term, is PERCEPTION. People now associate Haswell ES as being better than retail. They can be differentiated by the (ES) tags in CPU-Z, so people are always going to wonder. It doesn't matter if retail matures over 6 months and beats ES. This is why ES have to be treated differently. Everything is fine if retail is better than ES on launch day- Joe Public thinks "Yay! We have a chance!" If ES is better, there is whining UNLESS ES are going to a different league. IMO, ES MUST be kept separate- in the Pro League. The way it was originally decided. The XOC or Enthusiast League should be ES free. ES decided by (ES,) not by stepping. Current-gen ES yes;Last-gen ES no no no :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K404 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Oh yea... I forgot about that. Yes, last-gen ES are fine (IMO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der8auer Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Waha Roman:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhenzjhen Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Should be "Oh look it's the whining thread again" :ws: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose83 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) ************* Edited June 7, 2013 by knopflerbruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENiEBEN Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Nice one 'the8bauer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbuass Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) Lolol Dennis:DWhinning la brazil lol:p You hide behind a computer. Speech and ironic things about being apart, but would not be man enough to do such stupid comments in front of us. It is a cowardly attitude of one who has nothing good to talk. You disrespect my people again. You did again... even after your comment was removed. I hope Hwbot take action and you will be punished for disrespect others. Location: Brazil ftw lol @Moose83 - I never could offend and ironize your country like you are doing... The German people had no fault of people like you.... Edited June 7, 2013 by rbuass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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