Crew Leeghoofd Posted August 28, 2022 Crew Share Posted August 28, 2022 All recaculations on rankings of hardware and benchmarks have been just completed. It's looking good, as positions for hardware, global and World Ranking are now correctly being updated. However there are some minor issues spotted in each of the geekbench single core rankings where one sub is not being diplayed, but we are onto that... Regarding the topic, are the WR points something that you want to see back? Honestly I don't even recall in which version they got exactly pulled, neither the reason why. Wild guess as the ranking no longer properly worked and Frderik implemented a recalculation lock on subs below rank 200. Now If we want to bring them back some things we need to consider: - Do we bring them back for all benchmarks with Global points or do we make a smaller selection for single and multi-threaded benchmarks - What would be the max points for WRs in 2D and 3D? similar or different boints as in current format? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikecdm Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 It seems like double dipping to me. Don't see the point in them. I can't even remember how they were distributed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted August 28, 2022 Author Crew Share Posted August 28, 2022 For single GPU or single threaded records indeed it is the same as the global points, however for multithreaded benchmarks it would mean that guys that have access to servers and whatever will get some bonus points... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickulty Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 If it was likely the winners would be at stock, I'd be against it. However, with overclockable threadripper pro, xeon wx etc and limits on how many threads benchmarks scale up to, there's a possibility we could see some monster OCs on monster chips. That'd be awesome! I'd suggest ycruncher 10b, but then, of course I would... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Threadripper will get hardcore competition again so that's fun to watch. If it was solely for my own ranking my wallet would be crying but I don't mind it it means we get to see more hardcore subs on the big bois 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenchMarc Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 +1 to seeing more guys run TR or other big chips on LN2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noizemaker Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 its just another double scoring for the gold results or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted August 29, 2022 Author Crew Share Posted August 29, 2022 A WR is the best score of all processors or GPUs For 3D it is almost indeed similar as globals For 2D Multithreaded it would mean that eg a 64 core CPU is claiming the WR and maybe get 100 WR Boints iso the global top spot for eg 16x core 12900KS which might only get 25 WR Boints For 2D single threaded indeed almost similar as globals Everything depends ofcouse which benchmark we selected for globals and which ones for the WR's or do we give WR points to each benchmark? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Leeghoofd said: Everything depends ofcouse which benchmark we selected for globals and which ones for the WR's or do we give WR points to each benchmark? I think for sure no wr pts for single thread benches since their ranking already shows the wr, we'd get the same effect by just giving them more globals for top 10 scores or something. For multithread benches I'm OK with all having wr though maybe some people will complain it makes expensive systems too op. Honestly I don't care about their opinions personally though lol. For 3d idk, I wouldn't give it to legacy because most of them aren't gpu bound so single card is the fastest config. Similarly on newer stuff multi gpu is being dropped, already for greater than 2 way you need 10 series or older. Soon even 2 way seems to be going away so it may not be long before even on benches that aren't just about cpu oc that we see single card be the fastest. I think at minimum gpupi gets wr pts. We should also make a new hardware category called accelerator cards so xeon phi doesn't take the wr pts from cpus on gpupi. Or maybe not, that could be interesting in its own way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsglobetrotter Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 no major opinion on this but what are we trying to solve with this? would it lead to a major increase of activity? if so im all for it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 if you have multiple subs worth WR points do you get points for all of them if they are different cpu or core/card count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Splave said: if you have multiple subs worth WR points do you get points for all of them if they are different cpu or core/card count? Probably like any other pts where your best one counts. If you get best 8 core score on 12900k you can't get pts for 2nd best 8 core on 12700k. Same for wr, if you get best score overall with 64c and second with 32 you only get wr pts for the 64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) If you get 1st and 2nd and 3rd WR and someone else gets 4th, do they get points for 2nd or 4th place. Edited August 30, 2022 by Splave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted August 30, 2022 Author Crew Share Posted August 30, 2022 Maybe is it an idea once we moved to the new hosting that we enable the "old" WR points ( as they were configured by Frederik and PJ ) on the UAT server? Thus that we can analyse how they made it tick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed.fastest Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 WR point should be a thing, its the best score on this bench doesnt matter how much core or cooler, its just have to be the best score on that bench. Maybe limit it only for top 3 WR points, before top 3 doesnt get any WR point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted August 30, 2022 Author Crew Share Posted August 30, 2022 How about WR boints only for non Elite users? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasttrack Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I am strongly against it. Monster workstations and servers getting easy points. Points that depend on money, not skill. Can't we leave the damn platform steady and unchanged ? Unless there are reasons beyond the obvious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noliso Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Maybe just exclude server hardware from WR boints 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed.fastest Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 27 minutes ago, Fasttrack said: I am strongly against it. Monster workstations and servers getting easy points. Points that depend on money, not skill. Can't we leave the damn platform steady and unchanged ? Unless there are reasons beyond the obvious. Agreed, but there is solution just for desktop platform WR points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasttrack Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Is a Threadripper pro worth 7000$++, +board + mems = 10K +++ a desktop platform ? If yes, I pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fasttrack Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I am 12 years here. I remember one by one the folks that made subs for WR points. They did not even own the workstations and servers that they "benched". As soon as WR points were removed from the equation, they disappeared from HWBOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumper118 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 It's already confusing enough with all the different types of points we have now. Please don't add more ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted August 30, 2022 Author Crew Share Posted August 30, 2022 K I added a poll to the OP with the simple question who wants to have them back ( in whatever version ) and those against can vote too. Could save us a lot of drama or work to get them fixed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauf Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 No WR points. Multi GPU 3D is irrelevant at this point (sadly). And 2D is just free points for best CPU in 32M, pifast and free points for the ones with access to server setups. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Rauf said: No WR points. Multi GPU 3D is irrelevant at this point (sadly). And 2D is just free points for best CPU in 32M, pifast and free points for the ones with access to server setups. In general you are right, although I think emergence of ocable platforms that rival server like tr pro and w3175x makes wr pts actually about ocing and not borrowing clients cpu time. And for best results you still need ln2 which you won't run on borrowed system. Maybe wr pts are still bad idea for bot as a whole I just want to see people run ln2 and go hard on these big chips ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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