Should HWBot be divided into a two class structure?

[K404]

Just be careful where you point the camera heh heh heh :D

[Antinomy]

so I bench in my underwear and nothing more. Sure you wanna see me live? =)) =)) =))

You think you're the only one who does so in the summer?

 

Well, maybe not K404

[Monstru]

Cool, so livestream + summer bench = gaybot FTW!!! :D:D

[K404]

I dunno what i'd do in the Summer :shrug: I live in the UK remember

[Antinomy]

I remember. And I'm pretty sure that the weather in UK is better than in my city on the other side of the Earth

 

I'm sure that your livestream will beat the records of popularity

[BenchZowner]

No gaybot you morons.

Just have your girlfriend in her lingerie benching with ya ( and focus the camera on her most of the time )

[Antinomy]

Then you'll have a chance to say that the girl caught attention and the bencher swapped CPUs at the moment

[BenchZowner]

If the girl is worth my attention I don't give a f* about the scores and the CPUs...

[Monstru]

No gaybot you morons.

Just have your girlfriend in her lingerie benching with ya ( and focus the camera on her most of the time )

 

You wish you filthy pron...ahahahahaha....

[George_o/c]

35 oC ambient here now in the summer. I do not have air conditioning so I bench in my underwear and nothing more. Sure you wanna see me live? =)) =)) =))

 

Cool it will almost be like Baywatch

[Massman]

http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8239

[MK1]

Leagues ? Classes ?

 

Separate Intel from AMD , its obvious that in a lot of the benchmarks Intel is the only way to go .

 

Classes by cooling .. LN / LH / DICE , obviously those on air coolers cant compete with more aggressive cooling methods .

 

All my results etc are from a desktop machine , heavily loaded with software etc

Separate Intel from AMD , and maybe 3 classes ...

 

Desktop

Amateur

Pro

[thebanik]

Leagues ? Classes ?

 

Separate Intel from AMD , its obvious that in a lot of the benchmarks Intel is the only way to go .

 

Classes by cooling .. LN / LH / DICE , obviously those on air coolers cant compete with more aggressive cooling methods .

 

All my results etc are from a desktop machine , heavily loaded with software etc

Separate Intel from AMD , and maybe 3 classes ...

 

Desktop

Amateur

Pro

 

Its also unfair if you are overclocking with a stock cooler and competing with some1 with Venomous/DH14, so I propose a separate class for each and every air/water cooler out there

[|ron]

Don't go too far guys... ok to split between sponsored people who has tons of ES hw months before the rest of the overcloking world, but splitting because it's unfair that someone overclocks with a stock cooler against someone else who has a liquid cooling, it's crazy...

Do you like overclock? then go out, buy some waterblocks, learn tricks and optimizations from the forums and improve your results, likewe all did when we started.

[aGeoM]

Hi

 

I voted for split.

 

To my POV, sponsored OCers sould be carring (mandadory) the sponsor "flag". Pro Teams should be created. No points share with mainstream Teams. Sponsor: all companies from Industry, be manufactures, retailers or web based, etc.

 

Just my tought.

 

Be well

Edited June 20, 2010 by aGeoM

[bartx]

How do you imagine this split? If I have scores from two ES cpu in my profile, whereas all other has been made on my own hardware am I amateur or pro?

 

On the other hand if somebody doesn't have skills/proper cooling even with bags of cpus from AMD/Intel he won't do anything.

[Aleslammer]

My two cents, base a system of scoring on experience and skill. Everything we do is something learned, from building our fist computer to setting up for a world record run. Create five levels, earn enough point you move on. Level one would be a catchall. After time in general the 4 remaining levels will be dominated by cooling type, with those with budget and skill passing trough. User points would be based on the system in place now, with the first place in each level gaining the same score 2nd etc. Team points, cups/metals and all other scoring would be based on the system in place.

 

It's just an idea and probably already discussed.

 

No problem with the way it is.

[CL3P20]

The issue is "should want".

 

It's one thing to split up things at the side of HWBOT, but if this pro league has totally no support from any vendor, it's existence is pointless. After all, if vendors don't like/need the pro league, they can just continue to manipulate amateur rankings.

 

It is my opinion, that we as the consumers drive the manufacturers. It is our responsibility to "wag the dog" and show the manufacturers the way in which the consumers will best support OC efforts and new hardware release. Now, the manufacturer's are the one's leading us around by the nose..

 

A reorganization would only have to be supported by the consumers and bot users for the manufacturers to follow suit.. They would not have a choice once we make the decision to support the new method.

[PROBN4LYFE]

Pro and Amatuer leagues is a good idea. If a person is getting pre-released and/or fresh equipment from a vendor, sure it's an unfair advantage if they have time to test out the best possible configuration before posting. Heaven forbid if I have the time and connects to have LN2 trucks stop by my house once a week, lol, this wouldn't be a conversation I'd be involved in if it were true. Air,Water,and Extreme is how I would break it down, and whoever mentioned video...I'm down with that too. As far as stock air cooling being separate, well....if you can put together a $600-1000 rig to post benches you can afford a 60 dollar aftermarket cooler.

[MK1]

You need to separate equipment ... Even in a non official way ..

 

How can a desktop machine compete with some one running on a dedicated test bench with lots of fans blowing on every hot spot ..

 

Maybe Air / Water / extreme

 

 

 

Air cooling is just as legit as LN or DICE , but not every one wants to go extreme , or to that extreme , or kill there hardware in search of records , + its always good to have a starting point . I guess if your F1 class you have little interest in Go Karts , but people need to start some where ..

 

If your only interested in one extreme , thats fine , but why would you want to discourage any one new from competing against others within a certain cooling class ..

 

Water cant compete with LN - LH - or DICE , so why would you not be in a water cooled class . ??

 

I have done DICE [ XP Days ] and whilst its interesting , its not for everyone ..

Do you want to make overclocking a sport ? or just keep it a elitist activity .

I used to run water cooling , but I just dont want to mess around with it any longer , as there is little to be gained .

 

But every now and again , its just fun to push the machine to see how hard it goes , if I wanted to be serious , id go Intel , buy a pot , and do some LN runs . But I dont , I run a lowly AMD on Air .

 

I will just say , it would be nice if the classes were by cooling method and separate AMD from Intel , as its really no contest .

 

My motivation is simply to give people more realistic goals to archive , Air VS Air / Water VS Water / Extreme VS Extreme ..

 

And if Im stepping on some extremists toes for suggesting this : then good !

[DR650SE]

I think it should be split between desktop and notebook

[Eeky NoX]

Split netbook and notebook too oO ...and what else again ?

 

Nope! Ameture and Pro Leagues are just a good start imho

No ES for the ameture members with few ES samples scores may have to strictly delete them blabla... 2cents and a half !

 

It's a game mates, not a war at all ...enjoy together.

[Massman]

I think it should be split between desktop and notebook

 

The plans are there, but in the freezer.

 

There's just no time to split up. At least not if we want to do it properly (which is what we want)/.

[DR650SE]

The plans are there, but in the freezer.

 

There's just no time to split up. At least not if we want to do it properly (which is what we want)/.

 

Thanks for the info. I know it'd be a lot of work to set up. I just tend to have more laptop hardware. havn't owned a desktop in abotu 10 years. Need to get on that one...

[trans am]

the fact that kingpin thought of the rank/sponsored idea doesnt surprise me at all. kingpin is a skateboarder and he's named after the kingpin on a skateboard truck. being a skateboarder myself I can understand the thinking behind his idea. In a skateboard contest you have 3 classes. pro, am, and everyone else. The difference is simple. The pros get checks in the mail from the manufacturers, the ams get freebies but no money is involved, and everyone else has to buy the freebies the pros and and ams sell on ebay so they can pay the rent. I think the way it works is like this:

 

I wanna see who has the top 32M run with a 655k so I go to 655k in processor box and click 2d and then 32m then I have the option to see everyone in the top 10 or I can narrow the search:

 

like this...when you look at the leaderboard you will see a symbol next to the members name that indicates whether their class right away without having to run through everyones screen shot to see if they are ES or Retail.

 

I know es doensnt mean much some retail chips can kill es chips. I think the whole point is it narrow down the guys with unlimited access to es chips and can cherry pick them and bin them down and post an amazing bench. but the guys that have limited money and no hookups are solely dependent on not eating that week and only have 1 or 2 chips to bench and limited boards and rely only on that retail chip and their os tweaking skills, etc.

 

I'm just trying to come up with something that can even it out a bit. Like the old saying "pick on someone your own size" its sorta similar. You have a very fine line of dudes that are just doing reviews 24/7 and benching their freebies and the guys that have no hookups but are decent benchers and have potential but the marketing dudes dont pay any attention to them because of their hw rank. they guys they see are the same dudes getting the hookups so they dont look elsewhere. but if you mark the guys with the sponsors then it opens it up more for the rest of the guys that are blowing their kids college funds at newegg. The feedback addition is extremely important especially for the newer guys. say you are new to this and you dont know anyone. You dont know what the hell is going on but you just wanna make a good submission. Take this example:

the gigabyte mitx contest. Sam had some submissions he made and dino and some other guys were like wtf SAm? thats rad and all but can you show us a video or something to back it up? and sam took his submission down because he probably didnt want to deal with being called a cheater and jeopardize all the time he spent getting his rank this far.

I saw my friends dino and benchzoner asking him to back it up and he kept making excuses. Then I jump in there and start this post about how he ruined the contest etc. I dont know sam. hes probably a good guy at the end of the day and had the best intentions but I sided with my buddies and just fueled the fire. massman ended up locking the thread and it was never really settled. sam didnt get banned or his 32m run forcibly removed by admins. he just took it down and it made everyone even more suspicious but I can see why he took it down. He would rather not deal with the accusations and drama and it was not a major prize contest so there was not a lot on the line for him but if I knew his reputation as a bencher I wouldve never jumped in like that.

its like OPB. same thing on XS. oh this dude is no good. hes a known cheater.

then the new guys just follow them and say oh hes a cheater and hes crap but they dont even know him or what specific bench he did that was questionable. if you had something next to everyones name that like TRANS AM(-2) and you could click on the (-

) and it will take you the that questionable run then it would put an end to assumption and make people see if its cheating or not and come up with their own opinion based on the submission rather than just random hearsay on a forum. I think everyone deserves that at least. instead of being judged by their screen name. how would you like it if you had a bench or did os tweak and were totally legit but maybe had a history of saying some stupid things that pissed other members off but you were totally legit with the bench. but people were more inclined to judge you by your crazy posts than your actual benchmarks then the day comes when you have a good run but canon hd camera battery was dead or did some crazy tweaks you only knew about and didnt want reveal your secrets that kept you ahead. the next morning you check the forums and You're automatically "a cheater" because you made some smart ass remarks on a forum in the past and you have a really good score. I think you guys are smart enough to get what im saying.

 

 

 

the pros will naturally compete with other pros (ES chips against other ES chips) and they have to show their sponsors.

 

 

The Am's can compete against other Am's and pros with ES chips etc but are unpaid members....

maybe they have a ram hookup through gskill or corsair and get some freebies now and then for reviews. This class might have access to ES chips they either got from someone else or legitimately from the chip companies. they gain 2 bonus points for beating a pro class.

 

 

* The everyone else category "unsponsored" cannot use ES chips

*only retail cpu can be used but the catch is they can compete with the pros and the ams with es chips and gain 1 x bonus points for beating an Am class submission and 3x bonus points if you beat a pro class submission. *bonus points do not count towards your global rank but are noted in a separate field in your points screen. in a category called "I beat someone in their own front yard"

 

 

 

Another thing to add is a reputation dialog next to the members id/name. think of it like Ebay feedback.

if the member has a reputation for cheating or questionable submissions you will see a - next to a numeric value. like TRANS AM (-2) this tells people to pay close attention to the submission because they have submitted questionable scores on 2 occasions.

maybe they didnt have a valid screen or they had an amazing run but didnt have a video or explanation to the submission to back it up. You guys do the rest. I think kingpin was onto something here.

Edited September 4, 2010 by trans am