Kashtan Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Please, who uses both mobo - say yours opinion. I think better - Apex XI. Memory support 4800, Dark only 4600. Better powerstage - 16 vs 12 - 60A. But Dark bigger (E-ATX), socket and connectors on 90 degrees, and expensive - 500$. Quote
suzuki Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 I am curious about this,but difficult to find someone who is not sponsored and has both in storage. Same test and hardware ,only difference to be the board. Both ambient and ln2. 1 Quote
Crew Leeghoofd Posted March 8, 2019 Crew Posted March 8, 2019 Dark has the XP ACPI support advantage... awesome for older legacy stuff, think Luumi proved already its quite a strong board... 6 Quote
Guest Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Dark has proper xp, for legacy and single thread. Dark has 12 phases (using proper doubler) vs Apex with 16 (8 phases real with each 2 stages in parallel). Basically, Dark has better efficiency and needs less voltage for same frequency, Apex could handle more power draw (relevant if 10+ cores on 1151). Dark has igpu support, for possible oc competitons or igpu gold. Asus bios is more well known and probably cleaner. Both support 4900+ 14-13 ez, so mem support is basically equivalent. Apex much cheaper, even in US. Dark no rgb, Apex rgb. 1 Quote
Berhof007 Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) @Elkim has both boards, I hope he'll make comparison between Dark and Apex Edited March 8, 2019 by Berhof007 1 Quote
suzuki Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 51 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said: Dark has the XP ACPI support advantage... awesome for older legacy stuff, think Luumi proved already its quite a strong board... Maybe that cpu shines even on older boards,we will never know. Vrm can play an important role in freq and stability,not to mention that evga killed cpu’s in the past with the spikes in voltage untill they released proper bios. Training ram,proper rtls and tertiary,max freq with same latencies i would like to see. The best way are to be compared under ln2 and after ,if there is time, a short test on ambient :). 2 Quote
Crew Leeghoofd Posted March 8, 2019 Crew Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, AutisticChris said: Dark no rgb, Apex rgb Apex wins then.... A good board won't make a dud shine.. However à good cpu on a bad board.... Edited March 8, 2019 by Leeghoofd 6 Quote
Alex@ro Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 You can buy a Apex XI and a second hand Apex X for the price of dark, you have two boards, windows XP, etc. I am not saying that Dark is a bad board however the price is little bit too much for this platform. 6 Quote
Kashtan Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Alex@ro said: You can buy a Apex XI and a second hand Apex X for the price of dark, you have two boards, windows XP, etc. I am not saying that Dark is a bad board however the price is little bit too much for this platform. Alex, if we ignore the question of price - is Dark better for our business? 1 Quote
Slovak_Killer Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Dark for sure, had the chance to try apex xi and nothing new rly from my apex X, maybe faster booting with tight rams. both boards have overkilled VRMs. If u want best scores go for Dark as it supports legacy, so 32M on XP is possible. Biggest downside for me is shitty evga eleet app, asus have much better turboV for OS OCing. EDIT: i didnt rly considered price, well yeah Dark is expensive, depends if u want spi etc on legacy. Edited March 8, 2019 by Slovak_Killer 1 1 Quote
Mikecdm Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Alex@ro said: You can buy a Apex XI and a second hand Apex X for the price of dark, you have two boards, windows XP, etc. I am not saying that Dark is a bad board however the price is little bit too much for this platform. This makes good sense, sadly you can't buy a second hand apex anything for under $100 which is more than the price difference between dark and apex xi. 51 minutes ago, Slovak_Killer said: Dark for sure, had the chance to try apex xi and nothing new rly from my apex X, maybe faster booting with tight rams. both boards have overkilled VRMs. If u want best scores go for Dark as it supports legacy, so 32M on XP is possible. Biggest downside for me is shitty evga eleet app, asus have much better turboV for OS OCing. EDIT: i didnt rly considered price, well yeah Dark is expensive, depends if u want spi etc on legacy. So you're saying that the Apex boots faster and has software that works. Only thing not to like is that it doesn't support XP. In that case, what new does the dark offer? Slow boot, software that doesn't work, xp support which was available on prior apex models. To me it looks like it's all about trade-offs and what one is willing to give up. Quote
Guest Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Apex board makes you lazy with all them bios profiles in them. Evga is a challenge as I'm learning the x299 dark. z390 Dark will be next choice Quote
Samsarulz Posted March 9, 2019 Posted March 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Mikecdm said: This makes good sense, sadly you can't buy a second hand apex anything for under $100 which is more than the price difference between dark and apex xi. So you're saying that the Apex boots faster and has software that works. Only thing not to like is that it doesn't support XP. In that case, what new does the dark offer? Slow boot, software that doesn't work, xp support which was available on prior apex models. To me it looks like it's all about trade-offs and what one is willing to give up. Some Apex IX go for 100 or bit less on Ebay. Needs Hardmod + modded BIOS for Coffee (including 9900K). Put Alex 0094 BIOS and 1801 one from APex X and voila. Sometimes you can get Z170 OCF and get 9900K support too BUT since is a 4Dimmer... OC RAM isn't so good (4000 12-11 is hard). Z390 Dark is the top for me but overpriced. Preffer to stay and Z170M OCF or Apex IX side for now. Regards 1 Quote
Administrators websmile Posted March 9, 2019 Administrators Posted March 9, 2019 I really like the fact evga returned with a competetive highend board, but due to price and availability in germany it is no option for me, Maybe if I see it do 4266 c12 32m air like I could do on apex XI I will buy a used board if it ever appears at europe at a decent price, but not now. Really sad story XP support for XI is not planned obviously 2 Quote
jab383 Posted March 9, 2019 Posted March 9, 2019 XP support for the Z390 Dark is out -- check Kingpin's post in the OC Forum on the EVGA site. Availability of the Z390 Dark in Germany is the same problem as availability of the Apex XI in the US. 1 Quote
Kashtan Posted March 11, 2019 Author Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) At least - what better? Im write to Michal to PM, not answer. Also write to Luumi on YT his channel - without response. Dark or Apex? Edited March 11, 2019 by Kashtan Quote
flanker Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) Apex for me. Both boards has also Bruno from Romania Edited March 11, 2019 by flanker 1 Quote
Guest Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) @Kashtan @websmile idk about 4266 32m but the Dark managed 4220 12-11 supertight waza. EDIT: see you have Apex now. Hope you enjoy it! Edited March 18, 2019 by AutisticChris 1 Quote
Bruno Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/11/2019 at 9:54 PM, flanker said: Apex for me. Both boards has also Bruno from Romania Bro, I don't have them yet. Just the Apex. But i will surely buy the Dark. 3 Quote
unityofsaints Posted March 21, 2019 Posted March 21, 2019 On 3/9/2019 at 1:06 AM, websmile said: Really sad story XP support for XI is not planned obviously It was also not planned for X but those plans... changed 1 Quote
Kashtan Posted March 21, 2019 Author Posted March 21, 2019 On 3/18/2019 at 6:06 PM, AutisticChris said: @Kashtan @websmile idk about 4266 32m but the Dark managed 4220 12-11 supertight waza. EDIT: see you have Apex now. Hope you enjoy it! Thank you very much! Look this Apex is great! 1 Quote
NorySS Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 I have both. I'll give you my perspective. I like to push things for 24/7 stable heavy watercooling. ie 5.3ghz with 4133mhz 1t memory VRM wise, both boards VRMs are way overkill. The zDark is significantly easier to work with than the asus board. Yes the asus bios is much more elaborate with more settings. The zDark is straight to the point, and just gets things done. I purchased my zDark thru amazon for $440, and the Apex for $420. I will probably be looking to sell the apex. 4 Quote
Agustinus Alvin Wicaksono Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 18 hours ago, NorySS said: I have both. I'll give you my perspective. I like to push things for 24/7 stable heavy watercooling. ie 5.3ghz with 4133mhz 1t memory VRM wise, both boards VRMs are way overkill. The zDark is significantly easier to work with than the asus board. Yes the asus bios is much more elaborate with more settings. The zDark is straight to the point, and just gets things done. I purchased my zDark thru amazon for $440, and the Apex for $420. I will probably be looking to sell the apex. just let me know if u want to sell ur maximus xi apex Quote
ocvn Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Agustinus_Alvin_Wicaksono said: just let me know if u want to sell ur maximus xi apex Quote
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