HWBOT 2020 Make it great again Thread:

[Leeghoofd]

Which hardware Klop ha? 

[E-mil]

I don’t know what klopcha meant but I notice this:

https://hwbot.org/submission/2310039_kingpin_superpi___32m_core_i7_3770k_4min_52sec_969ms

https://uat.hwbot.org/submission/2310039_kingpin_superpi___32m_core_i7_3770k_4min_52sec_969ms

hwbot.org --> 16+48 pts

uat.hwbot.org --> 2+2 pts

Edited January 5, 2022 by E-mil

[Leeghoofd]

For the UAT test, Tim programmed 1 point drop per spot for the Hardware boints (excluding the top 3 where the discrepancy is bigger). This is less for the final implementation. Nevertheless we can not assure same or more points for each hardware category or benchmark.

Secondly we will not work with  even equal points (for some spots) in the top 20.
It still has to be competitive to rebench to climb up the ladder or gain a few points.

Take note that from spot 21 it will be with 0.1 or such increments in the final version.

For the super popular old hardware like the 3770K, hardware points might be less, but the gain of the new point system is noticeable with more modern hardware which is being benched by most benchers nowadays. Not sure if an ambient bencher would buy/bin this Ivy Bridge CPU for hardware points.

The fact is that the current system has so many errors in point calculation. The Point recalculation is not happening after spot 200 as the software is locked by the previous programmer. The algorithm that calculates in relation to the score of the first spot is such an atrocity and the load on the main server is crazy high.

It will never be perfect for everybody, but we have to get people more motivated to bench and reward those active ones.

[Leeghoofd]

Hardware boints have the decimal increments from spot 5 now on UAT. If you don't see these  0.1-0.2 increments press ONCE recalculate and wait a few mins and refresh the page.

Globals will be adressed later. From spot 21 increments are now 0.5 between positions, will be reduced to 0.2.

 

[Leeghoofd]

On 1/5/2022 at 9:58 AM, E-mil said:

I don’t know what klopcha meant but I notice this:

https://hwbot.org/submission/2310039_kingpin_superpi___32m_core_i7_3770k_4min_52sec_969ms

https://uat.hwbot.org/submission/2310039_kingpin_superpi___32m_core_i7_3770k_4min_52sec_969ms

hwbot.org --> 16+48 pts

uat.hwbot.org --> 2+2 pts

UAT --> 52 + 48.6 points

[Matsglobetrotter]

On 1/5/2022 at 9:18 PM, Leeghoofd said:

For the UAT test, Tim programmed 1 point drop per spot for the Hardware boints (excluding the top 3 where the discrepancy is bigger). This is less for the final implementation. Nevertheless we can not assure same or more points for each hardware category or benchmark.

Secondly we will not work with  even equal points (for some spots) in the top 20.
It still has to be competitive to rebench to climb up the ladder or gain a few points.

Take note that from spot 21 it will be with 0.1 or such increments in the final version.

For the super popular old hardware like the 3770K, hardware points might be less, but the gain of the new point system is noticeable with more modern hardware which is being benched by most benchers nowadays. Not sure if an ambient bencher would buy/bin this Ivy Bridge CPU for hardware points.

The fact is that the current system has so many errors in point calculation. The Point recalculation is not happening after spot 200 as the software is locked by the previous programmer. The algorithm that calculates in relation to the score of the first spot is such an atrocity and the load on the main server is crazy high.

It will never be perfect for everybody, but we have to get people more motivated to bench and reward those active ones.

all good on scoring looks like it will be more worthwhile to bench. just to note. I think people do buy older hardware to bench if it is worth it for points. A lot cheaper to mess around on old hardware than new. especially with chances of it breaking when we do all tweaks including on hardware mods...  I doubt many will want to mess up 2000 USD systems especially the guys on ambient with the current hardware maniac prices.  Out of range for the young crowd. (except the egamer pro's)

[Leeghoofd]

K by popular demand we unlocked the

Vantage Performance (GPU score only)

FireStrike (GPU score only)

 

Benchmarks as Beta Benchmarks... If these get filled with scores we can give them boints in the future....

[unityofsaints]

9 hours ago, Leeghoofd said:

K by popular demand we unlocked the

Vantage Performance (GPU score only)

FireStrike (GPU score only)

 

Benchmarks as Beta Benchmarks... If these get filled with scores we can give them boints in the future....

Nice concept, finally a reason max. out GPUs even if you don't have the big $$ CPUs ?

[Rauf]

1 hour ago, unityofsaints said:

Nice concept, finally a reason max. out GPUs even if you don't have the big $$ CPUs ?

Both these benchmarks scale very much with CPU freq, on newer GPUs at least. So that part won't make any difference as you currently need 12900K for both good GPU and CPU score...

[unityofsaints]

5 hours ago, Rauf said:

Both these benchmarks scale very much with CPU freq, on newer GPUs at least. So that part won't make any difference as you currently need 12900K for both good GPU and CPU score...

But 12600K/F 12700K/F will be acceptable as well whereas in the past 5960X / 6950X / 7980XE was totally mandatory.

[Leeghoofd]

 !! Boint system just got a new overhaul, almost evertything needs a manual recalc !! 

GLOBAL BOINTS

2D globals maxed at 150 boints
3D globals maxed at 175 boints

summary:

Users get more globals than before down the ranking

 

HARDWARE BOINTS: 

4th threshold added for hardware boints

more than 100:         max hwboints= 70
Less than 100 -  50: max hwboints= 50
Less than 50 - 25:    max hwboints= 35
Less than 25:            max hwboints: 15

summary:

For low end submissions (<50 subs) it is almost identical to current HWboints for the top 20, but users get way more boints down the ranking

Once passing 50 submissions slightly more HWboints in general, but again way more boints for users down the ranking

GlobalpointsnewHWBOT.xlsx

[Don_Dan]

What's the starting amount of hardware boints for one submission only?

[Leeghoofd]

That will be 15 bro with the current 4 thresholds, we can always implement one with 5 or less subs

[Don_Dan]

The points are interpolated between the thresholds, right? Might be better to use 5 points for one (or one to five) submission and increase to 15 points based on the amount of submissions.

[Leeghoofd]

one submission is the least of my worries ...

[Don_Dan]

Then let's just say I'd advocate for a lower threshold for a lower amount of submissions.

[Leeghoofd]

Something like?

 

LESS THEN 5

rank=1 points=6

rank=2 points=4

rank=3 points=3

rank=4 points=2

[Mr.Scott]

Making it complex again. ........ at the wishes of only a couple people.   

Stick to your guns and tell them no.

 

[Leeghoofd]

Coder can implement this easy, so adding thresholds is no biggy... 15 points for a single sub might be overkill....

[unityofsaints]

The flattening of global pts is a step in the right direction but 70 HWPts for really gimpy little scores and also the same 70 pts for the hardest 32Ms on earth just doesn't seem right to me.

Edited January 20, 2022 by unityofsaints

[Splave]

2 hours ago, unityofsaints said:

The flattening of global pts is a step in the right direction but 70 HWPts for really gimpy little scores and also the same 70 pts for the hardest 32Ms on earth just doesn't seem right to me.

maybe we see people push the other benches harder then for the extra reward 

 

I swear every time there is revision I got dropped from first place yay +300 in the lead to -50 in 2nd 

 

are we really going to keep 1x 2x 3x 4x 01 and 03 XD its kind of becoming a meme of itself at this point. 

 

3rd place in 3d = 1st place in 2d....there is what like 20x the competition in 2d vs 4 guys that bench current 3d since they get sampled cards? why is the value added to the less competitive areas? 

Edited January 21, 2022 by Splave

[yosarianilives]

15 minutes ago, Splave said:

maybe we see people push the other benches harder then for the extra reward 

 

I swear every time there is revision I got dropped from first place yay +300 in the lead to -50 in 2nd 

 

are we really going to keep 1x 2x 3x 4x 01 and 03 XD its kind of becoming a meme of itself at this point. 

 

3rd place in 3d = 1st place in 2d....there is what like 20x the competition in 2d vs 4 guys that bench current 3d since they get sampled cards? why is the value added to the less competitive areas? 

People complained that there were too many cpu pts and not enough gpu points. Of course maybe those complaining have cards lol. At least 3/4 way shouldn't be expensive if the market ever fixes itself 

[Leeghoofd]

Euh SuperPi hardware points for the top spots are even way less than 35 hardware points for nr1.

Principle here is the more subs, the higher the HW points will be, with a max cap at 70 Points. There still is the option to move or add thresholds. But remember there is no algorithm behind this and it will not come back either on the current code of Frederik. 

The new points fix tons of issues of the present,  makes the rankings tighter and gives more points to non extreme clockers. 

3 or 4 way gpu setups are a thing of the past, hence why we needed to take action for the 3D crowd. The difference in globals will ease their pain a little bit... 

There will never be a perfect configuration that pleases everybody. 

[Rauf]

I think 70 hw points is a little too much compared to globals. Especially considering that 60 spots count to the ranking.

Also all 3/4 way global points should be removed. Remove globals for 2 way also for legacy benchmarks like 01, 03, vantage. Maybe keep globals for 2way of the newer 3d as some actually gain from 2 way and still support it. But actually I would rather see all sli globals removed and instead add some more 3d benchmarks. Like time spy, and possibly cloud gate or sky diver (could be some fun variance). Maybe some GPU score only benchmark (but make sure it's GPU bound, not fire strike as it's already a CPU benchmark).

 

Regarding CPU vs GPU points I think the best balance would be to value them the same. But max 15 CPU and max 15 GPU spots count to your total ranking

[Leeghoofd]

2 things:

The 70 points is the only way to assure lower end  subs also get at least some significant points iso 0.1 or 0.2.  This value comes from taking the current points like Superpi 32M for a lot of CPUs where you got already 67 HW points. We can introduce more threshholds or shift them as stated before...

A lower threshold has been asked for less than 5-8 subs

As you can see on the below image the point increase is not as dramatic as some think it is...