Splave Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 2 leagues Pro+ES Everyone else You can't regulate anything else so the people that are the best at lies will be the head of the air leagues. Quote
Mr.Scott Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 2 leagues Pro+ES Everyone else You can't regulate anything else so the people that are the best at lies will be the head of the air leagues. Exactly correct. I believe that will set HWB back about 4 revisions. Quote
Xtreme Addict Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 Current revision is good and I don't like too many changes. We had too many ranking changes over the years. Just give higher points for 3D (like the ideas of 1.25 or 1.5 multiplier) and that's all. Regarding leagues - I agree with Allen to keep 2 leagues unless there is some bulletproof wrapper for ambient/enthusiast contests with air, water or different coolings. Quote
TheGamingBarrel Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 i can't process this because my english is not good too complex. Want to see the result to the test server, easier to me for understanding this Don't worry, I am english and the points dont quite make sense to me yet Quote
Rasparthe Posted April 3, 2016 Posted April 3, 2016 2 leagues Pro+ES Everyone else You can't regulate anything else so the people that are the best at lies will be the head of the air leagues. I would love to see this, but won't happen. Alternately as I've said before, and will once again because I love annoying everyone, Move globals to Pro. Everyone else can battle it out with very reduced globals (<5 or none!) and mostly hardware. Want to do globals, go to Pro. Essentially have a place for the two competing camps. New-gen-is-life camp in Pro, and the real-overclockers-can-bench-anything camp in the lower league(s). Although I do go back and forth on if I like the idea of relegation leagues. Quote
Razzee Posted April 3, 2016 Posted April 3, 2016 Nobody noticed it? http://hwbot.org/benchmark/timtim1/ This "benchmark" was added one month ago. lol Quote
Christian Ney Posted April 3, 2016 Author Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) Nobody noticed it? http://hwbot.org/benchmark/timtim1/ This "benchmark" was added one month ago. lol It's gone! Edited April 3, 2016 by Christian Ney Quote
Bruno Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 IMO the leagues should stay as they are. There are competitions based on leagues. How they will be done if leagues are changed? HWBot needs to solve the chiller issue without relying on people's honesty, but on a dedicated trusted software. Only then, the competition will bring back the adrenaline. If you manage to deal with registering the temps and clocks during the benchmarks, the real skilled overclockers will raise and the beginners will get more addiction. On the other hand, a resident software may ruin the score. Let's take SPI32M 5G for example. With all the tweaks involved, a software that uses some memory will probably hurt the result. Unfortunately, not using the software will give many a reason to cheat in a way that can't be seen with naked eye. Quote
Christian Ney Posted April 7, 2016 Author Posted April 7, 2016 Thanks for the feedback, I will take this thread with me on my flight to Canada next Wednesday and try to come up with something. Quote
Administrators websmile Posted April 13, 2016 Administrators Posted April 13, 2016 I like the first impression and general idea, about the number and point count seperation of leagues we might have to discuss, maybe one less, maybe OK as proposed. The general design is very good and innovative for me, we are always confonted by problems which might be solved by this - definitely worth discussing it Quote
nvidiaforever2 Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 Leagues based on points won't work for people who don t' really care about ranking . U just have to delete submissions and u can compete in 4th league with ln2 Quote
Rasparthe Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 Leagues based on points won't work for people who don t' really care about ranking .U just have to delete submissions and u can compete in 4th league with ln2 This is of course true. There will always be guys that want to be first in a lower league and will use any means necessary to do so. I think we can all think of guys that edge the rules for cooling just to be top in a competition or league instead of pushing forward into the higher competitions. Some guys just like being a big fish in a small pond. As you said, if being first in 4th league is highest they aspire to be that is certainly sad. Perhaps CN there should be a timed force upwards for the guys at the top of each league? Every 6 months a bump up for Top 10? This would certainly solve NividaForever concern. Quote
funsoul Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 Other than the chiller issue, don't see why it needs to change again. No global points for anyone but pros/elites??? Definitely hate that idea as me (and many others) have worked pretty hard to get them, losing them would be a kick in the dingding. I didn't understand the last change. Thought Elite, Extreme and 'regular' were fine. Am I missing something? Quote
Administrators websmile Posted April 15, 2016 Administrators Posted April 15, 2016 I think globals are for all - only wr points are limited to elite Quote
aerotracks Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 Moving up from "Enthusiast" to Sub Ambient/Extreme league somehow feels like a punishment since at the beginning of that change you're still a small fish in a much bigger pond. How about adding a few perks so people would be encouraged to move up instead of staying at an easy top spot / engaging in strategic behaviour some of which we've seen in the past and more that would come when leagues are based on points. Something on top of my head would be having top X+n count towards league total instead of just top X for some immediate benefit when switching. This is just a random example, I'm sure there could be other things than this to make moving to higher leagues desirable. Quote
TaPaKaH Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 Do I get it right that an overclocker with 9001 pts but no top 3 competition finishes will end up in 4th league? Quote
Administrators websmile Posted April 15, 2016 Administrators Posted April 15, 2016 Nope - if I see this right above 1500 points you are at 1st league, but you can also be 1st league with less than 1500 points when you have 12 or more top3 competition rankings - you confuse me, or CN does :'( Quote
Christian Ney Posted April 15, 2016 Author Posted April 15, 2016 If I see this right above 1500 points you are at 1st league, but you can also be 1st league with less than 1500 points when you have 12 or more top3 competition rankings That is correct. Quote
funsoul Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 I must be dense as I'm still not following. So...with 819 current league points I'd be in the 3rd league? Would I be losing points with this change? Still am not following 100% why this change is needed (I was fine with the old, 3 league structure). Quote
Mr.Scott Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) It's not needed. There are loopholes in the leagues that need to be closed, and as usual, 95% of the members have to suffer because of the 5% that can't be trusted. The cooling method thing seems to be an issue, and it can't be corrected, so the next thing to do is try to take that out of the equation. Dividing leagues by points is one way...........but a crappy way. Elite/Pro = 1 league All the rest = 1 league Don't like your points or ranking?, step up or too bad. The responsibility falls on the submitter for points and rank, not on HWB for trying to make everybody a winner. Edited April 15, 2016 by Mr.Scott Quote
speed.fastest Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 The newer league i really dont like it, make a newcomer reaally hard to compete. Now is better, only need small adjustment about cooling IMO. Quote
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