3urner Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Hey guys I just wanted to ask why Port Royal is not listet in the 3dmark benchmark list? I am just wondering because its a frequent benchmark with really much attention from Pro overcklockers like @Luumi who broke the 13 record or @Splave who held the WR with his Titan for a long time. Also Kingping and Steponz gave the benchmark quite the attention with their livestreams. I thought it would be nive if Port Royal would be addet to the list of benchmarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauf Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 The one who can develop hwbot does not have the time or interest to do so. So hwbot is stuck. It's not just a missing 3d benchmark. The whole list of benchmarks is so outdated it is getting rediculus. I think 75% of all benchmarks are really all about single or dual threaded cpu performance. How relevant is that today? And then there is that thing that the most interesting platform in 20 years is not even possible to bench in a legit way by mainstream users... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 hours ago, der8urner said: Hey guys I just wanted to ask why Port Royal is not listet in the 3dmark benchmark list? I am just wondering because its a frequent benchmark with really much attention from Pro overcklockers like @Luumi who broke the 13 record or @Splave who held the WR with his Titan for a long time. Also Kingping and Steponz gave the benchmark quite the attention with their livestreams. I thought it would be nive if Port Royal would be addet to the list of benchmarks. Because you can easily hack lod to work and get a valid result. We need more security before we add more benches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauf Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Lod is fixed in newest versions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Rauf said: Lod is fixed in newest versions Oh you tried? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauf Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Splave said: Oh you tried? I checked the only way I know how, maybe there are more ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_mat_ Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) As the new 3DMarks are separated in workloads, where each test and sometimes subtest got their own executable, it's necessary to check the LOD Bias setting via NVAPI before (or during) each run inside the workload executable. You can't change it in between as far as I'm aware. As soon as the executable is loaded, the NVIDIA driver settings seem to be locked it. There might be some way with releasing and reinitializing the necessary Direct3D interfaces, but that would be a lot of work. And as soon as you can do something like that, it's a lot easier to just piggyback the settings of the workload, a plain JSON passed to the workload executable as a "locked" file. That was the only way I've found to fuck with LOD in the new 3DMarks. To say something ontopic as well: It has to be considered, that points in Port Royale are currently rather expensive. I heard that @Splave sold a testicle to compete with the YouTubers. They now call him the Lance Armstrong of overclocking, cause he's still going strong with one nut. Might be an urban legend though. Edited October 14, 2019 by _mat_ 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 port royal may be expensive to compete in, but then again all global pts are. Would be nice to have the option to get some pts for it, even if just hw pts. 1080ti can run it, although poorly. Raytracing on pascal seems to be about like dx12 on thermi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3urner Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Well I hope that Port Royal will be added soon. I think that is a quite important benchmark because it's designed to measure the power of a new Gpu architecture generation. Also I am of the same opinion as @Rauf that the benchmark list needs to be updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Eh, need to include legacy gpu bench for old gpus. Although wether or not they should have globals is another discussion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythical tech Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, yosarianilives said: Eh, need to include legacy gpu bench for old gpus. Although wether or not they should have globals is another discussion A lot of the older benchmarks are just cpu benchmarks at this point. I think that it might be interesting to give some newer benchmarks globals but keep hardware points for the older benchmark. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luumi Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 PR should be added to HWBOT, because it is a very nice GPU only 3D benchmark atm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StingerYar Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Any updates on PR? Shall we see presence of it in database in 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3urner Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 Yeah would be nice. I think that its just ridiculuos that the ONLY raytracing benchmark ( which is also a really good gpu performance only benchmark) is not part of hwbot even more than one year after release. Its just as @Rauf says the benchmark database is outdatet. And since AMD is throwing Cpus with more and more cores at us there are no Benchmarks which either can keep up with the performance or arent even able to measure it correctly. But just complaining is easy... first of all we need more benchmarks which can cope whith more cores. --but thats another story and that thread is focused on adding pr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbjaust Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) nVidia's real time "ray tracing" tech demo won't last the distance. I reckon at best you'll have 3 generations of nVidia architectures that have their special implementation of "real time" ray tracing. Give it a year or two and then decide if it is worth giving points to. FYI, in case you didn't notice, nVidia used their marvellous and very useful implementation of ray tracing in Turing merely as an excuse to jack the price of GPUs into the stratosphere. heh. ? Edited January 6, 2020 by cbjaust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeph8n Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, der8urner said: Its just as @Rauf says the benchmark database is outdatet. And since AMD is throwing Cpus with more and more cores at us there are no Benchmarks which either can keep up with the performance or arent even able to measure it correctly. But just complaining is easy... first of all we need more benchmarks which can cope whith more cores. --but thats another story and that thread is focused on adding pr. R20 scales with cores, R15 scales with cores. GB3/4/5 scale with cores. GPUPi scales with cores. X265 scales with cores. Shall I continue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Don_Dan Posted January 6, 2020 Crew Share Posted January 6, 2020 Guys, adding Port Royal is on the big and ever growing to-do-list. No need to complain every year. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GeorgeStorm Posted January 6, 2020 Members Share Posted January 6, 2020 It's good it keeps the masses busy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unityofsaints Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Why add a bench that has vendor lock-in? Wait until it runs on AMD I would say... It's not like we're short on good 3D benches 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbjaust Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Same with XTU. That and PR probably conceived by their respective company's dirty tricks marketing departments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splave Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) On 1/6/2020 at 12:23 PM, keeph8n said: R20 scales with cores, R15 scales with cores. GB3/4/5 scale with cores. GPUPi scales with cores. X265 scales with cores. Shall I continue? wprime32/wprime1024 Edited January 7, 2020 by Splave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropluszero Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 10/14/2019 at 4:12 AM, der8urner said: Hey guys I just wanted to ask why Port Royal is not listet in the 3dmark benchmark list? I am just wondering because its a frequent benchmark with really much attention from Pro overcklockers like @Luumi who broke the 13 record or @Splave who held the WR with his Titan for a long time. Also Kingping and Steponz gave the benchmark quite the attention with their livestreams. I thought it would be nive if Port Royal would be addet to the list of benchmarks. who the hell considers luumi and steponz to be pro overcklockers? it would be nive to addet less benchmarks to be listet on hwbot in my opinion. lets just keep 3dmark01 and 06 and call it a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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